MSEP Returns

[brb1006]

I adore WDW. I really do. It's an amazing place with all kinds of amazing things. Or at least, it was. In 2016, it's overpriced beyond all measure while offering less and less value all the time. It's run shoddily and has been for years. They do not take care of their things. They have let the MSEP fall apart, they refuse to fix major show effects on their rides, they carelessly let SpectroMagic fall into disrepair, saddling themselves with MSEP until it too became just about unusable. They refuse to update their major entertainment. Wishes is 13 years old. IllumiNations is 17 years old. Fantasmic is 18 years old. They run that Beauty and the Beast stage show with a straight face and it is nearly 25 years old.

Don't forget the Little Mermaid show at HS that was the only attraction related to the film before the dark ride was added at MK. But WDW wasn't always like this especially back in the 80's and 90's.

 

[dweezil78]

I adore WDW. I really do. It's an amazing place with all kinds of amazing things. Or at least, it was. In 2016, it's overpriced beyond all measure while offering less and less value all the time. It's run shoddily and has been for years. They do not take care of their things. They have let the MSEP fall apart, they refuse to fix major show effects on their rides, they carelessly let SpectroMagic fall into disrepair, saddling themselves with MSEP until it too became just about unusable. They refuse to update their major entertainment. Wishes is 13 years old. IllumiNations is 17 years old. Fantasmic is 18 years old. They run that Beauty and the Beast stage show with a straight face and it is nearly 25 years old.

For some reason I think that's just Florida's M.O. (the state, not just Disney) Keep building and building new stuff, while you leave the old stuff to rot and eventually become abandoned.

 

[Phroobar]

For some reason I think that's just Florida's M.O. (the state, not just Disney) Keep building and building new stuff, while you leave the old stuff to rot and eventually become abandoned.

That's just sad considering how much it costs to vacation there. For everything we complain about Disneyland, those problems are small fish compared to major problems at Disney World (and to an extent Disneyland Paris). Why can't they properly maintain what they have?

Oh course, Florida can't even vote correctly.

 

[dweezil78]

That's just sad considering how much it costs to vacation there. For everything we complain about Disneyland, those problems are small fish compared to major problems at Disney World (and to an extent Disneyland Paris). Why can't they properly maintain what they have?

Oh course, Florida can't even vote correctly.

Have you ever been to WDW? Even with all this blabbering, if you haven't been, I would not let this stuff deter you from wanting to go. Definitely see it for yourself. I still try to make out out there once a year and always look forward to it and have a great time. Yes there are things that are not great about it, but it's still an amazing place.

 

[Curious Constance]

I guarantee you if my family went to WDW we'd have an amazing time. My kids would be happy just going to one of the amazing hotels and swimming, but add in 4 parks, 2 water parks, DTD, etc, etc, we'd be in heaven.

 

[Stevek]

I guarantee you if my family went to WDW we'd have an amazing time. My kids would be happy just going to one of the amazing hotels and swimming, but add in 4 parks, 2 water parks, DTD, etc, etc, we'd be in heaven.

We've gone 2X with our girls (2006 & 2010), one other time with just me and the wife (2014) on the way back from the Bahamas. We have never, ever had a bad time. The worst thing we could complain about was the occasional long wait for buses, primarily leaving Epcot at the end of the night and being dead tired from trying to do and see it all...but that's our fault. No major ride downtimes (I've experienced 5+ rides down in a day at DL), magic bands worked great and crowds were manageable and better than what we've experienced at DL in the past 2-3 years. I think it's all about your perspective going in. For folks that have had multiple visits in their lifetime, they've probably seen some pretty significant changes and can easily attest to the parks not being what they were before. Honestly, the biggest hurdle to us going back now is the cost though I'm not sure going off season and staying in a value resort (what we did last visit with the kids) is all that much more expensive than it was before. More a matter of been there, done that and we'd rather invest that money in a Hawaii vacation and 20th anniversary cruise next year.

 

[VJ]

I liked it, but I'm not your typical Disneyland fan.

I enjoyed Light Magic, but I don't think it would have had staying power. DL guests would have tired of it quickly without major updates and it wasn't really a parade. It was a street show, like Block Party Bash.

It's unfortunate that Light Magic scared DL out of light parades for so many years. Parade of the Stars was originally designed to be a light parade, hence the celestial theme present in all of the floats. Kinda glad that didn't happen because that parade was a snoozer and lights would NOT have helped.

I would have liked for it to happen sooner, but Paint the Night is an awesome parade and a worthy successor. I just hope they don't junk it by sending it to WDW where it will fall apart.

I just really liked the visual of the lights turning off, the spotlights turning on then the Main Street buildings lighting up with the embedded fiber optics, plus the music is honestly really underrated (unless you don't like riverdance, I guess). It was innovative in its own way which makes me sad that Disney was pretty much forced to retire it. Disney entertainment is pretty much all the same anymore. Every parade is indistinguishable from another, nighttime spectaculars all rely on the same elements (a combination of fireworks, projections and/or water screens) and I guess I tire of the monotony. Light Magic was original, and I wish Disney would go back to that. I wish they'd innovate again instead of doing the same thing every single time.

 

[Phroobar]

Have you ever been to WDW? Even with all this blabbering, if you haven't been, I would not let this stuff deter you from wanting to go. Definitely see it for yourself. I still try to make out out there once a year and always look forward to it and have a great time. Yes there are things that are not great about it, but it's still an amazing place.

I've been in 2002 and in 2008. Both times we planned on spending a day in each park with a fifth day at one of the parks again. At the Magic Kingdom we intended to go on everything that Disneyland didn't have. That got us through about half the day so we had to cave in on seeing POTC, IASW, HM and Space Mountain. For the most part we weren't that impressed. It seemed like Disneyland had the better versions.

Over at Disney MGM and Animal Kingdom, we were surprised on how little there was to do at either place. At DHS, we did the TOT,RNRC twice, Muppets, skipped Star Tours, the tram was down, and the rest seem to be shows that we saw at Disneyland years ago. It was pretty half day. At Animal Kingdom, we did the safari, rafts and dinosaur and walked around looking at animals. I can't think of anything else that was worth doing there. Everest was ok but the Yeti didn't work.

However we loved Epcot and spend a few days hanging around there. My wife liked it because we got out of the heat for a few hours. Universe of Energy was her favorite because it was air conditioned. We had a final day we spent on the monorail, swimming at the hotel and walking around various resorts. That was pretty fun.

Everything seemed ok. It was just big and not as clean as Disneyland and extremely HOT! We are planning on going again but the way you guys talk about it, the place seems to have gotten worst. If we go, we are including a day or two at Universal with maybe three days at WDW. We could care less about fireworks and parades.

 

[brb1006]

That's just sad considering how much it costs to vacation there. For everything we complain about Disneyland, those problems are small fish compared to major problems at Disney World (and to an extent Disneyland Paris). Why can't they properly maintain what they have?

Oh course, Florida can't even vote correctly.

Have you ever been to WDW?

 

[brb1006]

I've been in 2002 and in 2008. Both times we planned on spending a day in each park with a fifth day at one of the parks again. At the Magic Kingdom we intended to go on everything that Disneyland didn't have. That got us through about half the day so we had to cave in on seeing POTC, IASW, HM and Space Mountain. For the most part we weren't that impressed. It seemed like Disneyland had the better versions.

Over at Disney MGM and Animal Kingdom, we were surprised on how little there was to do at either place. At DHS, we did the TOT,RNRC twice, Muppets, skipped Star Tours, the tram was down, and the rest seem to be shows that we saw at Disneyland years ago. It was pretty half day. At Animal Kingdom, we did the safari, rafts and dinosaur and walked around looking at animals. I can't think of anything else that was worth doing there. Everest was ok but the Yeti didn't work.

However we loved Epcot and spend a few days hanging around there. My wife liked it because we got out of the heat for a few hours. Universe of Energy was her favorite because it was air conditioned. We had a final day we spent on the monorail, swimming at the hotel and walking around various resorts. That was pretty fun.

Everything seemed ok. It was just big and not as clean as Disneyland and extremely HOT! We are planning on going again but the way you guys talk about it, the place seems to have gotten worst. If we go, we are including a day or two at Universal with maybe three days at WDW. We could care less about fireworks and parades.

One of the reason why people are talking about how WDW has gotten worse might have to due with most users who were familiar with WDW as it was back in the 70's,80's, and 90's while newer users grew up with WDW as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's.

 

[Mike S]

I've been in 2002 and in 2008. Both times we planned on spending a day in each park with a fifth day at one of the parks again. At the Magic Kingdom we intended to go on everything that Disneyland didn't have. That got us through about half the day so we had to cave in on seeing POTC, IASW, HM and Space Mountain. For the most part we weren't that impressed. It seemed like Disneyland had the better versions.

Over at Disney MGM and Animal Kingdom, we were surprised on how little there was to do at either place. At DHS, we did the TOT,RNRC twice, Muppets, skipped Star Tours, the tram was down, and the rest seem to be shows that we saw at Disneyland years ago. It was pretty half day. At Animal Kingdom, we did the safari, rafts and dinosaur and walked around looking at animals. I can't think of anything else that was worth doing there. Everest was ok but the Yeti didn't work.

However we loved Epcot and spend a few days hanging around there. My wife liked it because we got out of the heat for a few hours. Universe of Energy was her favorite because it was air conditioned. We had a final day we spent on the monorail, swimming at the hotel and walking around various resorts. That was pretty fun.

Everything seemed ok. It was just big and not as clean as Disneyland and extremely HOT! We are planning on going again but the way you guys talk about it, the place seems to have gotten worst. If we go, we are including a day or two at Universal with maybe three days at WDW. We could care less about fireworks and parades.

Sorry but HM is easily better at WDW in the same way Pirates is better at DL.

 

[Phroobar]

Sorry but HM is easily better at WDW in the same way Pirates is better at DL.

I guess it might be now because of the additional scenes and improvements. But in 2008, the spider staircase seemed kind of hooky and the 70's version of the attic took me back to being a kid shutting my eyes because of the screams and popup ghosts. The library and paintings were cool.

 

[Phroobar]

One of the reason why people are talking about how WDW has gotten worse might have to due with most users who were familiar with WDW as it was back in the 70's,80's, and 90's while newer users grew up with WDW as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's.

I was comparing it to Disneyland and nothing beats Disneyland. Of course the Magic Kingdom and Epcot put the shame DCA at the time. Animal Kingdom I could only compare against the San Diego Zoo. DAK was better themed but for some reason SDZ was more fun. DHS just had too much old stuff we've seen before at Disneyland and didn't compare at all well against Universal Studio Hollywood.

 

[Phroobar]

It was hard taking a two year old across the country. The next time will probably be with a 10, 13 and 17 year old. Maybe we should just go to Disneyland Paris instead? Gosh, I'm old!

 

[Figments Friend]

Am I the only one who actually liked the concept of Light Magic?

Welp. Guess I am.

( Raises hand )

I liked it.
I like the music, and theme song, too.



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[Phroobar]

Going back to MSEP, I assume it will include Elliott from Pete's Dragon in the parade. Good cross marketing there!

 

[brb1006]

Going back to MSEP, I assume it will include Elliott from Pete's Dragon in the parade. Good cross marketing there!

Elliot has been in the parade for almost 40 years.

 

[ShoalFox]

Very interesting development indeed. I wonder when MSEP's run is finished at DLR if it will go into storage, be scrapped, or surprise everyone again and return to Florida. I'm hoping it's either 1 or 3.

 

[brb1006]

I hope they put the word "Main Street" back on the title drum float when it finally returns to the park. I can't be the only person annoyed with the float saying "Disney's Electrical Parade" from DCA but is called Main Street Electrical Parade instead at WDW.

 

[Nland316]

I hope they put the word "Main Street" back on the title drum float when it finally returns to the park. I can't be the only person annoyed with the float saying "Disney's Electrical Parade" from DCA but is called Main Street Electrical Parade instead at WDW.

I wonder how much work will be put back into the parade before it premieres here. After hearing so much about how it was abused by TDO, and knowing how TDA is, I expect a significant amount of work and money to be invested to revive it.