EPCOT Explorer
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C'mon! We can hide out in the 180 Top! They like fanboys, there!:lookaroun:lol::lol:
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C'mon! We can hide out in the 180 Top! They like fanboys, there!:lookaroun:lol::lol:
SirGoofy
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*runs*
C'mon! We can hide out in the 180 Top! They like fanboys, there!:lookaroun:lol::lol:
And I actually know the best way to get there through the building's super structure!
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
And I actually know the best way to get there through the building's super structure!
Fantastic.
pax_65
Well-Known Member
I like how Lee posts the same exact thing I have been, and no one calls him out, I get the hounds released on me.
Seriously! LOL...
I just wanted to add one thing. If I see a piece of trash, a layer of dust or unrepaired damage, it doesn't ruin my vacation. I love Disney and keep coming back. But it does make me shake my head and say, "There's no way you would have seen that 20 years ago."
What concerns me is that I'm sure Disney knows this too. They know we have tremendous loyalty and will keep coming back. But there is a point where it will have an impact.
If Disney doesn't build any new rides, we'll spend a bit more time in the parks that do (Universal, Sea World, etc.). If Disney lays off the cast members who make the parks special, or if they let the place decay to the point that it looks and smells like a Six Flags park, we'll spend less time in the parks (laying by a pool with a good book sounds pretty good right now).
If our favorite cast member hosts/servers get laid off, or if they continue to cut the menus at our favorite restaurants, then we'll eat off-property more (and probably eat better and spend less). If things slip too much at our favorite resorts, we'd even consider staying off-property (something we've never done).
So while it would be an empty threat to say we'd stop coming to Disney (and Disney knows it), it's a fact that we'd give less of our $$$ to Disney if the place continues to lose its magic.
Lee
Adventurer
For sure.
However, I will say that my Uni annual pass has been getting used a lot lately. More so than in past years, and I only see it increasing...for three reasons:
1. Rip Ride Rocket. A new ride. Strange concept for Disney these days.
2. Potter...eventually. Disney has nothing on the horizon to match it.
3. Mythos. Kicks the of every WDW theme park restaurant, hands down.
Oh, I'll still spend the majority of my time at WDW, couldn't stand not to...but a larger portion than ever before will be elsewhere.
P.S. - Forgot about Manta...gonna have to spend a little time on that side of I-4 this year.
scottnj1966
Well-Known Member
The same thing happened on COP last year before the cutbacks.
Skipper had a fluid issue in 2007 and it took awhile for that to be turned off.
Things always need to be fixed every day, week, year.
What your seeing is not because of cutbacks but because of a maintenance schedule that is not working well. That started a few years back.
Right now the whole country is a mess. Disney has no choice to cut. It is going to get a lot worse before it can get better. Thats the sad truth.
What disney better start doing is stop raising prices before its too late.
Show the people they can still afford to go or it will stick in their minds they cant for a very long time.
33.99 for a dinner at the Diamond Horseshow without a show I bet.
Raising the price for the tables of wonderland.
You should be ashamed Disney.
10 years of having seasonial, annual, or premium passes and I am starting to feel terrible about giving WDW money anymore.
I sure hope they turn the image around. Right now it seems they are way to greedy in our new economy.
Duckberg
Active Member
thread MORPH
This Potter Land is U's big attraction money push, but has POTTER PEAKED:veryconfu Anyone care to comment on current specific $$$ interest in this franchise :veryconfu Duckberg
And they will pay a price for their lack of vision.
But in all seriousness...how can you just sit by when attractions for quite possibly the biggest franchise in the past twenty years are being set up right down the road?
This Potter Land is U's big attraction money push, but has POTTER PEAKED:veryconfu Anyone care to comment on current specific $$$ interest in this franchise :veryconfu Duckberg
Jim L Clifton
Member
FPL had cuts a few yrs back.Wiped out whole depts.At first it was supposed to be a "few'...then the HUGE CUTS! Then they said...we are better now...more efficent....got rid of the fat etc.Funny...notice....upper,upper management is NEVER affected!
J
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WDWLOVER1957
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prberk
Well-Known Member
I actually think, like someone said a few months back, that Disney could actually lower some base prices and run a campaign that sort of tells people that they are "on their side" ... and give an image of a reasonable family vacation and a place to get away from troubles. This would have a longer impact for repeat business and loyalty (and especially image) than some of the one-time shots they have been doing for specials.
They need to cultivate an image of a comfort zone, not this almost out-of-reach fantasy vacation that they have been cultivating lately.
But back to the topic -- I remember that in 2001, there weren't many layoffs (especially since some had occurred earlier). Instead there were other cuts (like closing parts of hotels) for temporary measures. And there was continued investment, based on Michael Eisner's thought that after the slowdown and recession there would "pent-up demand" and that Disney would be ready for the rebound. That is what should be happening now. Disney is a perennial favorite and would do well to position itself as an affordable comfort zone today -- and ready for the rebound in family tourism soon to come after things settle out more nationally. These job cuts should not be done for people who are useful and know and love the company. While I'm sure some are not, most are probably assets -- and the hurt to morale is hard to overcome. It doesn't inspire loyalty.
Paul
disneychic71
Member
It is almost NEVER upper management that is affected, and this, IMO, is the whole problem with the economy. Businesses accross the board have cut middle and lower level employees to appear more efficient, while upping the ridiculous bonuses and "golden parachutes" of the visionless "leaders" who got the companies into trouble in the first place. It is maddening, to say the least. Years ago, upper management seemed to understand that improving the wages and positions of the top-quality workers was the way for an entire business to succeed, but more recently it seems that these folks are viewed as expendable. I hope that Disney and other businesses will start to realize that sharing the wealth with effective workers at all levels--while trimming the fat at all levels--is the only way to correct this problem.
Did you mean sharing the profits, or sharing the wealth?
Jim L Clifton
Member
I've seen this in bus.for years.The following is reality...Higher management says,we need to do this (cuts)for the STOCKHOLDERS...the good of the CO.Then the cuts begin....the remaining people are EXPECTED to pick up the slack....service,morale,sales & more suffers!! Ans ....MORE CUTS,also...downsize equipment(buses,gardening trucks)etc.Next move,hire more CONTRACTORS...Higher ups....bean counters only care about $$$ NOT people...they have little or NO idea....how the Co.functions at the lower levels...$$$ rules....IF....lower managers don't produce...cut them ...get someone who can!! Ever ask yourself...what does a CEO actually do....to get his $$$.....no-one really knows!!LOL!
Jim
Jim
I agree with alot of what you posted. I am currently working for a company that is going through that right now.
That being said, if we let capitalism control the market, these companies will get to the point where their profit declines because their product or service suffers too much. At that point, they will either reduce their profit margin in order to maintain an acceptable level of profits or they will go out of business.
Jim L Clifton
Member
Hak,
You are missing ..the NEXT move....the CEO....leaves(bails out)BOARD OF TRUSTEES...give HIM a bonus(HE ALREADY MAKES MILLIONS)...to go with his GOLDEN PARACHUTE....& bring in a NEW CEO....who will SAVE the day!LOL! I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 35YRS....GETTING READY TO RETIRE....nothing....SURPRISES ME ANYMORE!!
Jim
You are missing ..the NEXT move....the CEO....leaves(bails out)BOARD OF TRUSTEES...give HIM a bonus(HE ALREADY MAKES MILLIONS)...to go with his GOLDEN PARACHUTE....& bring in a NEW CEO....who will SAVE the day!LOL! I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 35YRS....GETTING READY TO RETIRE....nothing....SURPRISES ME ANYMORE!!
Jim
whylightbulb
Well-Known Member
I know I and others have addressed this mentality in numerous threads so I'll try to verbalize the frustration in a different way this time.
I don't know how long you have been visiting WDW, but several on this board have been visiting steadily since around 1971. So one of the first comments we would take issue with is your statement that "it is in fine shape, just like always." It's not anywhere near "just like always." Standards have dropped so far from where they were in the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s that it's like watching your son or daughter, The one who used to be so cute and could do no wrong, end up in a life of crime, on drugs and in jail. You still love him or her unconditionally, but you can't believe how someone so innocent and blameless could end up on the streets, so dirty and barely recognizable from their youth.
It must seem as though we attack everyone that makes a positive comment as to the state of the parks. The reason for this is because statements like that empower the “it’s good enough” mentality that so permeates WDW management today. I can’t tell you how many times I heard comments from upper management while I was at WDI like, “we don’t need to spend another dime on the development of that effect, it may not look as realistic as it could but it’s good enough for them,” or “why is there so much scenic in that scene…Just make it darker and they won’t know the difference.” Believe me I could write a book on the incompetence and ignorance of many in Disney management, including the one in WDI middle management that didn’t know Walt Disney was a real person. Your comments only validate the ineptitude and apathetic management style that has allowed the parks to slide into the current slippery slope.
Your statement that this is based on opinion is absolutely false. It’s an indisputable fact that standards have been decreasing steadily since the mid 90s while at the same time prices have been increasing. Nobody wants to marginalize the good times you have at the parks. We too have good times there. But we also mourn what could be and what should be for the good of the company and the visiting public as well. Our motives are to draw attention to the lack of new attractions as well as the dismal quality of the ones we are lucky enough to get in the first place. We want more to see the under-staffed and under-funded maintenance efforts so typical in today’s WDW. We want more to understand that they are getting so much less for their money when they could be receiving so much more.
Basically, the good times you are having at WDW today pale by comparison to what they could be. We are so vocal about these issues not just for us, but for every future visitor to the Disney parks. We don’t want the Disney legacy to go the way of so many other American institutions.
Lee
Adventurer
Ditto that.:wave: