I know, I know - a fastpass debate and I didn't join in. I have an excuse, I was without internet access all weekend.
They could seriously help the wait problem TODAY if they just removed Fastpass.
See California Adventure for proof.
Removing Fastpass would just make it worse.
With respect, for an "insider" this statement implies you have very little "inside" information. FastPass creates lines - not lessens them.
This was regarding TSMM - Here's the difference. DHS has 6 rides in the park and a much higher annual attendance. Only 3 of those 6 rides are "family friendly" and TSMM is far and away the highest demand of the three. Comparatively, in DCA there are several more family friendly rides (admittedly prior to Little Mermaid only Monster's Inc was anything noteworthy), but it is also right across the street from Disneyland.
The demand for TSMM is lower in DCA than it is in Disney World. In my opinion, any D ticket or higher attraction that has waits over 40 minutes should offer Fastpass.
Fastpass and what it does to lines is complicated and cannot be easily grouped into 'fastpass creates lines' or 'fastpass lessens lines'. There are many variables that need to be accounted for, including ride system, load time, number of fastpasses, etc.
I would say, that if you want to generalize, that Fastpass redistributes lines. Some attractions it improves them, some it makes them worse. TSM is worse for having Fastpass, probably. But as its the 'must do' for the park, theres nothing to say that all those people wouldn't just stand in the line anyway. The problem with TSM is the slow load time and low OHRC.
Or what if they got rid of standby and made it a fastpass only attraction? Sure you wouldnt be able to ride it whenever you want, but you can't do that anyway! So why not? Atleast this way the fastpasses would last until the evening. I wonder if TDO has even considered this.
Interesting idea. I guess we might see something like this after Dumbo 2.0 opens and they can see how well it works/doesn't work.
Per Lee, Dumbo will have this new Standby non-queue as well as Fastpass.
Did Star Tours help with the line at all?
Not from what I have seen. As most people have pointed out it is leaps and bounds the best attraction at DHS with no height restriction. The only thing that will really help is an attraction or attractions of similar quality that everyone in the family can ride. ST 2.0 could no be that ride.
Star Tours is an adult (in the Disney sense, 10 years and older) ride. It's certainly a welcome addition to the park, but it's probably hurting the TSMM Fastpass distribution time, not helping it.
To further explain, the original Star Tours wasn't bringing guests into that park, Star Tours 2.0 is bringing guests into that park (although not as many as Disney would like). Because Toy Story appeals to the masses, those masses that are now coming as a result of Star Tours 2.0 want to ride Toy Story.
TSMM is the Studios' only family-friendly ride (not show) with characters kids recognize.
For all its faults, DCA already had plenty of other things for kids to do when TSMM opened. Wait times in the Studios won't go down until the park gets more rides.
There really isn't a whole ton in DHS for the kiddos to do other than the shows or TSM. DHS needs another family friendly ride to help spread out the congestion of TSM. The low capacity and slow load times at TSM don't do anything to help the problem either.. DHS definitely needs something whether it be a Monster Inc coaster or something completely new.
This is the biggest thing. One of the faults with parks like DHS and DAK was the attraction lineup. Even DCA opened up with a roster of B-Ticket attractions to fill some gaps, sure they're mediocre at best but it was something.
Monsters Inc Coaster and AK expansion and Im a happy man. :king:
I would much rather see Ride and Go Seek or an original family concept in DHS/Pixar Place
I totally agree with you. I don't have kids, but if I did have little ones, I would skip DHS all together.
DHS is my least favorite park. I think it has enough thrill rides with ToT and RnRC. I hope that if they do build a Monsters Inc coaster, it is more of a 40" height requirement type ride.
I think they should move the Jedi Training Academy indoors. It is more popular than Sounds Dangerous ever was.
I also think Voyage of the Little Mermaid needs to be replaced in a year or two. After seeing the ride at DCA, it covers the same scenes.
It also needs one really good QS restaurant.
On the most recent park map I saw, Jedi Training Academy isn't listed as a numbered attraction. Many people experience this show by accident. The thought of moving it into the Sounds Dangerous theater would only work if they actually labeled it on the map. You would be surprised how much that makes a difference to the casual guest.
No, not at all. I was in WDW from 7/6-7/15 and the line for TSMM was usually at 70 minutes at 9:30am morning whenever I went over to DHS. Most FPs were gone by mid morning. The area is just crazy and congested.
They need to set up a temporary queue for early morning Fastpass acquisition in the area between TSMM and Narnia. The fact that this spills out into a narrow walkway, and has continued to do so for 2+ years is moronic.
Fastpass doesn't create people... DCA is a poor analogy. Compare ToT waits between the parks and you see DCA's overall ride demand is just so lower compared to DHS because of the park's split of shows/rides and it's overall popularity.
For the rest of the thread.. why remove any of the existing attractions? Rip out the stuff that really has no purpose anymore.. the 'studios' and backlot tour and you have a whole other 1/3rd of the park to work with.
Imagine a Radiator Springs Racer type attraction brought to the park.. that would help the lines.
Even Radiator Springs Racers wouldn't completely do the trick - You would need Luigi's Flying Tires and Mater's Junkyard Jambaree as well, and you would probably need to add Fastpass to at least one of those.