misterID
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Since you haven't noticed, puntagordabob has pretty much destroyed your argument and handed it back to you with a big bow on it. Just so you know...
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Monorails to no longer operate during Evening Extra Magic Hours
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Since you haven't noticed, puntagordabob has pretty much destroyed your argument and handed it back to you with a big bow on it. Just so you know...
PirateFrank
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I suggest that your anger is misdirected in more ways than one. First, stop blaming Disney for cost cutting when they are trying to improve the stability of the system. Second, start blaming abusers of WDW's (and 99% of non handicapped guests) Very generous handicapped tolerances....And not those that call attention to the abusers....
I'm not sure what your picture accomplishes? Can I post a picture of my daughter's split lip from 2008....which occurred on an overstuffed bus that comfortably carried a party of 10, one of which was an evc abuser of the most foul variety....still I was tolerant of that issue then....perhaps if I post a picture of what my daughter looked like the next morning, I can selfishly feel better that my illogical point may be better received.....:hammer:
Again, if you don't like this change....stay elsewhere...I still think that the overall result of this service cut will be positive.....if not for allowing disruptive service to be performed during down times, then there might be a slight reduction in selfish vacationers staying on property...doubtful, but a guy can hope....
devoy1701
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I can say that we go less now. We were passholders for 5 years (up until this past February). We won't be going back until next May as we're staying at the Wilderness Lodge on our Wedding night, but we're not going to the parks...just getting halfway to Canaveral for our Disney Cruise on the Fantasy the following day.
We also prefer Disneyland, and more often find ourselves wishing to go back there now than talking about when we're going back to WDW. The decline in quality is starting to stare us in the face...
I'm selling pitch forks and torches if anyone would like to organize a mob and storm the castle......
However, the stand will be closed for maintenance during EMH hours.
However, the stand will be closed for maintenance during EMH hours.
Buried20KLeague
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I went last October, but in the previous two years we decided to go elsewhere. Tokyo. Paris. DL. Now we're DL passholders, and will have made 5 trips there in a little over a year. It used to be that WDW was our routine location. 3-4 trips a year. But when all the declining started, we decided to see what else Disney had to offer out there in the world. And that only made the problems at WDW more evident. That's why I suggested earlier in the thread that people see what else is out there, even staying within the Disney Parks. I would be willing to bet you'd be surprised.
I'd say over all, we've made 9 trips to other Disney resorts in the past 3 or 4 years. Say we spend 5K between room/food/souveniers each trip... That's $45,000 dollars of my money that WDW is missing out on in the past 3 or 4 years. While that's not a HUGE amount... It's definitely not small. And it doesn't take too many others like me for that number start looking large enough for TDO to notice.
mickeysaver
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From the official Disney website:
So, where again is it that we get to jump ahead of the lines? I actually tend to wait longer for some rides than if I were walking. KS at AK comes to mind as being the worst offender in that respect. The posted wait could be 10 minutes, but my wait has been as long as 2 hours on the ECV. JC at MK can be a long wait too, but it has improved a bit, but it depends on how many other wheeled guests are there already too.
misterID
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You have the weirdest basis for an argument EVER! :lookaroun
Not picking on you, but you're constanly saying that you're "not effected by the decision, but your not happy with it" but procede to argue about it with people who basically... Agree with you, I guess???
And not only did you write Disney an email complaining about the park, now you say you haven't been going long enough to notice any "declining" so you really don't have a real stance or knowledge about the argument... But you're still arguing with people who do!
Am I missing something? I'll gladly apologize if I've misinterpreted something or missed something here...
bunnyman
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You know, math can be very fuzzy indeed. How about I say this:
*I'm willing to pay $135 a night to stay at Poly over Wilderness, for the right to be in a monorail hotel.
*Let's further say I intend to stay five nights, for a total premium of $675 over that span.
*Let's say I only intend to go to each park once in that stay (MK, Epcot, DHS, and AK), so that there is only the potential for 4 monorail rides (to and from MK and Epcot for one visit each, assuming I don't go back to the hotel mid-day for a break to read my old math text book).
*Therefore, assuming the monorail premium of $675, that breaks down to $168.75 each way for my four rides (yikes!, I'd be better off hiring a limo anyways). So, if you cut my ride potential in half from 4 to 2, I'd now be paying $337.50 per ride.
P.S.-my father was thankful my employer paid for my Master's in Finance.
PirateFrank
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My argument that Disney needs to increase the monorails continuous downtime each nite in order to make needed repairs/maintenance to the system?
Or that the extremely small demographic of 'evc riding EEMH attendees who can still ride a bus first in line' should see the bigger picture?
I'm not sure how posting family portraits accomplishes that, but, if it works for you....great!:sohappy:
BrittanyRose428
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How are we still going on about the wheelchair debate? I'll admit that sometimes I see someone in a scooter or wheelchairand wonder if they really need it, no one's perfect and we all make judgments. But you never know what's actually wrong with someone so it's unfair to make accusations like this even on an online forum. The problem with the monorail not running through EMH is simply that a lot of handicapped people pay for a monorail resort specifically because they want to be able to take the monorail. And from my experience of traveling with someone who uses a scooter, they do not always need to skip bus lines but in the case that they actually need to have you ever thought of why they actually do this? Someone in a wheelchair isn't sitting there plotting of ways to cut someone in line with small children. Its simply easier to get a wheelchair or scooter on a bus before it gets crowded.
draybook
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Once again, I never said I wasn't affected by the monorail decision, I said that I adapt to the situation. That's what the service taught me to do, adapt and move on. And I never said what I complained about to Disney, but I guess that making assumptions is your right. Let me know how that one turns out.
Shoot, that's big bucks to me. We're probably spending roughly 3k for this vacation, and that includes Disney, Universal, gas, food, hotel, rental car and souvenir money.
mickeysaver
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While I am sorry that your daughter was injured, I still don't see how that minor non-life threatening non-permanent non-life altering injury compares with the struggles and needs of someone that uses a wheelchair as a daily living tool. How you can say that someone who was riding an ECV on the bus that night was an abuser? You have no idea what daily struggles that person goes through and why they needed that ECV. When you get down to it, you chose to get on that overloaded bus. The ECV user had NOTHING to do with your child being injured. They had just as much right to transportation as you did. I find your intolerance of people's needs to be very offensive.
You really are drinking the Kool Aid. Cutting service for maintenance issues is indicative that there is a severe maintenance problem. Even major cities replace their trains and buses when they no longer can be properly maintained. Whay can't Disney maintain 12 monorail trains? Obviously it is time to replace them, but to say this is an acceptable alternative to replacing them is ridiculous.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
I love this statement, so true! It's one of the reasons I've never decided to make a hop over to a monorail resort, it's just not worth the extra cash to my family. basically $950/week for a few rides on a monorail, when my personal preferred method is via boat. That's a personal preference though and everyone's own preference fits in here.
And yes, math (not my major by any means, nor finance, in fact, talk to my wife, I'm fairly finance ignorant :lol
can be made to say a lot of things. While I was using your potential usage as your basis, which could be argued is what you are paying for when you spend the extra to stay at a monorail resort (the ability to hop a monorail any time during the operating hours), you are using your actual usage. That is where personal choice comes in. If you choose not to use every potential, even with the current method, you are by your own choice deciding to make each other ride "cost" more for you.
Yes, in doing this they reduce your potential rides as well, taking that decision away from you, and I'm in agreement that there should be some form of cost reduction. I was using a "highest potential usage" to calculate for simplicity. There are probably better ways to get at a good average cost. I just didnt feel I had the time or the brain power today to try and figure out an average person's average usage per week vacation, so I went with the highest possible.
bunnyman
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Listen, the point is this is not about wanting more maintenance, convenience, ECV usage (that point should have been dropped a loooong time ago), but it's about overall quality.
Disney, like many other companies, is trying to squeeze out every last drop it can of $$. But if you look at things over recent years, their pattern has been to a little bit at a time cut back on things, that when you add it up it makes a difference. Someone earlier mentioned to appetizer with the DDP, but it was also the tip being dropped as well, and for what, they cut the price $1? At the same time, the menus at all of the sit down restaurants have been cut way back to better fit into the DDP, thereby limiting your choices.
Hey, don't forget the EMH character greetings gone as well.
And someone along the way mentioned ticketed events, and if you've been to them, they also have been cut back on as well.
So yes, we might just shut up and shuffle along and keep going to WDW, but our family has started to cut back on how long we go and instead go to other non-Disney destinations. We still vacation the same amount, but Disney gets less of my $$.
Disney, like many other companies, is trying to squeeze out every last drop it can of $$. But if you look at things over recent years, their pattern has been to a little bit at a time cut back on things, that when you add it up it makes a difference. Someone earlier mentioned to appetizer with the DDP, but it was also the tip being dropped as well, and for what, they cut the price $1? At the same time, the menus at all of the sit down restaurants have been cut way back to better fit into the DDP, thereby limiting your choices.
Hey, don't forget the EMH character greetings gone as well.
And someone along the way mentioned ticketed events, and if you've been to them, they also have been cut back on as well.
So yes, we might just shut up and shuffle along and keep going to WDW, but our family has started to cut back on how long we go and instead go to other non-Disney destinations. We still vacation the same amount, but Disney gets less of my $$.
bunnyman
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I love this statement, so true! It's one of the reasons I've never decided to make a hop over to a monorail resort, it's just not worth the extra cash to my family. basically $950/week for a few rides on a monorail, when my personal preferred method is via boat. That's a personal preference though and everyone's own preference fits in here.
And yes, math (not my major by any means, nor finance, in fact, talk to my wife, I'm fairly finance ignorant :lol
That is where personal choice comes in. If you choose not to use every potential, even with the current method, you are by your own choice deciding to make each other ride "cost" more for you.
Yes, in doing this they reduce your potential rides as well, taking that decision away from you, and I'm in agreement that there should be some form of cost reduction. I was using a "highest potential usage" to calculate for simplicity. There are probably better ways to get at a good average cost. I just didnt feel I had the time or the brain power today to try and figure out an average person's average usage per week vacation, so I went with the highest possible.
Actually, my overall favorite hotel is the Wilderness, however, we've stayed at the Poly for shorter extended weekend type trips when we only intend on hitting 2 parks. Depending on when we go, if it works out that we can catch both the MK and Epcot with the EMH within the same trip, all the more reason we stayed at the Poly because of the monorail. Hey, if I have it and can afford it, why not. But, without being able to take the monorail back from the EMH, I see no point in staying at the Poly.
Buried20KLeague
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I've got 3 kids... Two teenage girls. We started getting a second room for them a while back. Really jacked what we spend each trip, but it's worth it... For both of us. (and don't get me started on DVC. :zipit
We also usually stay in deluxes, and do the dinner shows and all that. Sometimes a fireworks cruise, too.
It's not ALWAYS that much... But I'd say that's a good average.
Thrill
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Others have said it, I'll repeat it: Fix it the right way. The monorail system has been up for 40 years. It needs a couple weeks of downtime. Fix the tracks. Do some heavy maintenance on trains. Plan it ahead of time, let guests know. Do it in the offseason, offer a subsidized cost to those staying at the monorail resorts during that period, add buses to Epcot, increase boats, even add an MK bus if the boats can't handle it.
Do you consistently inconvenience guests, albeit a few hours a week, plus run the risk of breakdowns, or do you inconvenience two weeks worth of guests and have the monorail running whenever the park is open? I go with the latter. Besides, 3-6 hours a week isn't going to make the difference. I don't think it will, at least.
Keep in mind, the complaints aren't entirely about the EMH cut. I see this as a symbolic cut more than anything. Prices keep on rising, quality keeps on declining. You want proof, it's right in front of you.
draybook
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I've got 3 kids... Two teenage girls. We started getting a second room for them a while back. Really jacked what we spend each trip, but it's worth it... For both of us. (and don't get me started on DVC. :zipit
We also usually stay in deluxes, and do the dinner shows and all that. Sometimes a fireworks cruise, too.
It's not ALWAYS that much... But I'd say that's a good average.
Two teenaged girls, yikes. Yeah, I can imagine the boost from getting a second room.
Mr_Incredible
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Very good proposition imo. I agree with it.