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Myth Maker

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The Las Vegas Monorail has level loading. The doors slide instead of drop and swing.
The Las Vegas system also has automatic doors in the station that match up with the monorail doors. Honestly a truly automated and modern system.

The issues with contemporary height could be fixed by moving the beam over and using the space under the rooms as the loading platform... would require some work, but isn't an excuse not to upgrade to modern and new trains that solve many issues.
 

peter11435

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The Las Vegas system also has automatic doors in the station that match up with the monorail doors. Honestly a truly automated and modern system.

The issues with contemporary height could be fixed by moving the beam over and using the space under the rooms as the loading platform... would require some work, but isn't an excuse not to upgrade to modern and new trains that solve many issues.
The WDW system also has automatic doors at the MK and TTC.

I think abandoning the rooms over the beam would be far more likely than moving the beam. Although the much more likely scenario would simply be designing trains to fit the current system with modern improvements.
 

lazyboy97o

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The Las Vegas system also has automatic doors in the station that match up with the monorail doors. Honestly a truly automated and modern system.

The issues with contemporary height could be fixed by moving the beam over and using the space under the rooms as the loading platform... would require some work, but isn't an excuse not to upgrade to modern and new trains that solve many issues.
Moving the beam inside the Contemporary is more than “some work.” You would have to realign the entire approach and build a new structure through the Contemporary.
 

s8film40

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Moving the beam inside the Contemporary is more than “some work.” You would have to realign the entire approach and build a new structure through the Contemporary.
Well I guess upgrading to the 300 would require ALL new track, pylons and station throughout the whole system so in the grand scheme that wouldn’t be as huge. I would expect if that happened they would probably just put the station outside the hotel. They would essentially be demolishing the whole system and building a new one from ground up. For that kind of money I’d much rather see them upgrade to the 200’s and just extend the system further through the resort.
 

NormC

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Well I guess upgrading to the 300 would require ALL new track, pylons and station throughout the whole system so in the grand scheme that wouldn’t be as huge. I would expect if that happened they would probably just put the station outside the hotel. They would essentially be demolishing the whole system and building a new one from ground up. For that kind of money I’d much rather see them upgrade to the 200’s and just extend the system further through the resort.
The 200 could be made to work more easily. Top of beam to top of roof is only 5 inches higher which would just clear the Contemporary Balcony and the width is just about 3.5 inches wider so that is 1.75 each side. We discussed this a couple years ago in another monorail thread.
 

msg7

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What about the tracks?
I'm no transportation expert but I imagine that they would be able to size the underside of the train to the beam accordingly.

Question to everyone: Do you guys think they'll use an existing monorail design (Innovia 300) or design the Mark VIII from scratch? I was watching Mickey Views (a pretty good Disney Parks youtube channel), Brayden, the host, suggested that they just re-do the interior and exteriors of the passenger cabins similar to Disneyland's Mark Viis while keeping the same passenger car and get new cab cars. Thoughts?
 
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Myth Maker

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I'm no transportation expert but I imagine that they would be able to size the underside of the train to the beam accordingly.

Question to everyone: Do you guys think they'll use an existing monorail design (Innovia 300) or design the Mark VIII from scratch? I was watching Mickey Views (a pretty good Disney Parks youtube channel), Brayden, the host, suggested that they just re-do the interior and exteriors of the passenger cabins similar to Disneyland's Mark Viis while keeping the same passenger car and get new cab cars. Thoughts?
The only real benefit I see of the 300 series to the 200 series is the walk through trains. This would allow more capacity and for an attendant to be on board to clean the trains while they are running.

I believe the beams are 3' wide as well, allowing a train to beam evac of the entire train. A much safer design.

The 200 series has walk through "cars" allowing more capacity and flush platform loading. Watch the video of the automated full height platform doors of the Las Vegas monorail for an example.

Honestly if we get a replacement, I would expect to see a 200 series trains as they are much more compatible with the current system.
 

s8film40

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Question to everyone: Do you guys think they'll use an existing monorail design (Innovia 300) or design the Mark VIII from scratch? I was watching Mickey Views (a pretty good Disney Parks youtube channel), Brayden, the host, suggested that they just re-do the interior and exteriors of the passenger cabins similar to Disneyland's Mark Viis while keeping the same passenger car and get new cab cars. Thoughts?
If they were thinking of getting new trains. The Innovia 200 is probably the most likely. Anytime trains like this are ordered it’s not like you’re buying a pre-manufactured thing. It’s all very custom. I would expect they would do something a little more Disney styled built upon the Innovia 200 train.

Rebuilding the existing monorails would probably be a really great way to go. Perhaps they could build two new trains from the ground up and then use those as a replacement to cycle trains out two at a time to be rebuilt. Also not sure of the YouTube thing you mention, but “cab cars” are not seperate cars so not sure what was meant by that.
 

Myth Maker

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If they were thinking of getting new trains. The Innovia 200 is probably the most likely. Anytime trains like this are ordered it’s not like you’re buying a pre-manufactured thing. It’s all very custom. I would expect they would do something a little more Disney styled built upon the Innovia 200 train.

Rebuilding the existing monorails would probably be a really great way to go. Perhaps they could build two new trains from the ground up and then use those as a replacement to cycle trains out two at a time to be rebuilt. Also not sure of the YouTube thing you mention, but “cab cars” are not seperate cars so not sure what was meant by that.
Honestly the doors and the flush loading should be a huge priority, plus opening up both sides of the car to allow for more scooters and strollers.. The 200 series solves these both. I hope new trains and not a rebuild is in order.
 

msg7

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If they were thinking of getting new trains. The Innovia 200 is probably the most likely. Anytime trains like this are ordered it’s not like you’re buying a pre-manufactured thing. It’s all very custom. I would expect they would do something a little more Disney styled built upon the Innovia 200 train.

Rebuilding the existing monorails would probably be a really great way to go. Perhaps they could build two new trains from the ground up and then use those as a replacement to cycle trains out two at a time to be rebuilt. Also not sure of the YouTube thing you mention, but “cab cars” are not separate cars so not sure what was meant by that.
I'm not that familiar with the DLR monorail upgrades but, in the video he said that they re-designed and remodeled the lead cars. Back to the 200's though, personally, I'm not a fan of the nose. I think that Disney should stick with the classic lear jet nose. Also, would Disney change the seating arrangement?
 

Myth Maker

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I'm not that familiar with the DLR monorail upgrades but, in the video he said that they re-designed and remodeled the lead cars. Back to the 200's though, personally, I'm not a fan of the nose. I think that Disney should stick with the classic lear jet nose. Also, I'm assuming Disney would probably change the seating arrangement.
I agree on the nose ... the shell could use some styling upgrades for disney's liking. I think the seating arrangement on the 200's is okay considering the onslaught of strollers and mobility scooters they get.
 

msg7

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I agree on the nose ... the shell could use some styling upgrades for disney's liking. I think the seating arrangement on the 200's is okay considering the onslaught of strollers and mobility scooters they get.
I'm looking over the specs of the 200 and the capacity seems to be about the same, if not a little less then the current Mark VI's. That could wind up being a problem.
 

Myth Maker

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I'm looking over the specs of the 200 and the capacity seems to be about the same, if not a little less then the current Mark VI's. That could wind up being a problem.
What they have done is opened up each car so instead of two smaller seating compartments they have one large seating compartment. Less or the same amount of seats but more floor space.
 
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