MONORAIL EXPANSION COMING FOR EPCOT??

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
How's that machine react when you accidentally get in there with a fly at the same time?

A fly's nothing. The complaints you get when a family of 4 gets all re-arranged can be over the top. If you've got two arms, get over it. Who cares if one is a bit shorter? However, I will admit, if you wind up with two left hands, say, it can be a bit awkward, but nothing that a little forethought and planning can't overcome. We could go down to one person at a time. Then, your scenario becomes a bigger problem, but it takes weeks to go all insect. By then, we can claim the DNA got all mixed up from a Chipotle meal or dental x-ray. I figure the biggest problem with the one person at a time model is the queue. Another potential fastpass plus fiasco in all probability.
 

Seabasealpha1

Well-Known Member
A fly's nothing. The complaints you get when a family of 4 gets all re-arranged can be over the top. If you've got two arms, get over it. Who cares if one is a bit shorter? However, I will admit, if you wind up with two left hands, say, it can be a bit awkward, but nothing that a little forethought and planning can't overcome. We could go down to one person at a time. Then, your scenario becomes a bigger problem, but it takes weeks to go all insect. By then, we can claim the DNA got all mixed up from a Chipotle meal or dental x-ray. I figure the biggest problem with the one person at a time model is the queue. Another potential fastpass plus fiasco in all probability.
Allow me to publish here some potential pictoral scenarios from the earliest stages:

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George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Allow me to publish here some potential pictoral scenarios from the earliest stages:

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That whole thing was really Hollywoodized though. It takes the better part of a year and when done you look like a more traditional fly (though super big). Its crap like this that really cheeses me off and holds technology back. *sigh*
 
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PhotoDave219

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$20 Million in 1 year is only a suggestion for one way you can start to pay for an ultimate transportation plan that, through a series of several expansions starting with an EPCOT Resort line. I'm not saying drop everything and build it all now, I'm pondering where the transportation is headed and asking: If they chose to focus on EPCOT in a few years after their investments into DHS and AK have paid off, and they included an investment into that monorail what do you think it would look like?

I gotta say I'm glad you guys aren't imagineers because the property might look more like a 6 flags if some of you were!

You're not listening to me. I like this idea. I think that anything that gets people out of their cars is generally a good idea. Rail, bus only lanes, and similar things. I would love it if the monorail went everywhere. Very few people are opposed to this idea only we've heard it so many times in the past 15 years, we just get down to the dollars of the equation.

Currently - We need 12 new trains for existing operations. The newest trains went into service in 1991, 25 years ago. Thats first and foremost. And that's probably a Billion Dollars right there, custom trains are not cheap.

Beyond that you need trains for the expansion. You need another service yard. More service tugs. Infrastructure - the lines themselves, the stations to service people, and the people to staff them.

So while I like your chutzpah..... The budget realities make it difficult when there are so many other obvious needs like Epcot/future world makeover that I would prioritize significantly higher than monorail expansion.

Modern Disney isnt "If you can dream it, you can do it".... its more "If you can fund it, you can do it"-
 

PhotoDave219

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$20 mil...when it was built originally it was around 1 mil a mile...it's probably closer to 10 - 15 mil now. So, we get a mile and a half of track.

I'd love to see an extended monorail, but frankly, they are having trouble keeping the ones they have now in serviceable condition. And, part of that, is that it doesn't generate revenues. Transportation is a must, but is cheaper/more efficient with the bus lines.

Do I like it? Not really...but, it makes sense.

The monorail vehicles are basically just busses anyway, and they have maintenance failures and breakdowns, but are harder to service (they need special dropdown tracks and special parts)...and when they do, break down that is, and they DO break down...it's hard to get people off and back on. A bus breaks down, they pull up a new bus (which can generally be emergency routed there within 10 - 15 minutes), block off a lane of traffic, and reload. With the monorail, you'd still have to get people off of the train at 15-20+ feet up in the air, you have to then transport them, and as the system doesn't always follow areas where this (nor evacuation routes) can be easily accessible, it makes it further complicated.

And, then, even after you've gotten everyone off, a broken monorail tanks the line, and potentially backs up the entire system, but because there is no live operational track switching inherent to the system, with runoff and avoidance tracks, like a traditional railway would have to allow trains to "pass" each other, combined with the fact that Disney is already averse to using track switches when the trains are occupied as much as they can since the accident many years back...yeah, just not gonna happen.

And, even after you've done that, if you can't get the train rolling again, THEN you have to usher out one of the tugs. Refer back to how "easy" that is to do, when the main line is clogged or taken at some point by other monorails, and there is no such thing as mass switching yards, like you'll find with more traditional rail systems.

It's an efficiency argument, not a lack of imagination.

And then there's the real impact on the Guests. If you've ever seen people irritated waiting for a bus (where capacity can be rerouted quickly due to demand flux because of the quasi flexible routing system due to utilizing the road networks)...you'd know that waiting 35 minutes for a slightly higher capacity vehicle...won't fly well. They won't care for it. You can see it, the crowd sentiment, on a hot summer afternoon at TTC...or in the rushes at MK at close to get back to TTC to get to their cars.

It's a traffic choke point. Wonderful idea, really, I adore the monorails...but, they really aren't able to keep up with traffic demands...not without major overhauls, and that means a lot more than $20 mil a year, or even triple that a year...

If we do see any train development, the best I'd imagine is a streetcar system...but, I strongly doubt Disney will ever set up monorails as a traffic system (as opposed to a "peoplemover" partial attraction) ever again. It was an experiment when they expanded it to EPCOT, not to mention thinking it was a great idea to bottleneck all of the traffic inbound to MK with it (and the boats)...and it just...didn't work as well as hoped. Certainly not with today's attendance numbers.

I really wish they would add more bus only lanes. Perhaps you can mix that with a streetcar trolly like I-Drive does.
 

S 2

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Original Poster
Yup...but there was a time when Disney was bold enough to pioneer new technologies and inspire others to seek out new ways to look at a problem instead of doing what is cost effective all the time. They were (at one time) risk takers and dreamers...but those days have passed as I had said with Walt and Roy and that makes me sad to a point.

That would be sad but I don't accept it. Disney had 1 renaissance since they passed with Eisner at the helm, I believe there will be another...
 

S 2

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Original Poster
I hear everything you are saying, and you are making decent arguments but, with all due respect, I don't think you hearing me. I'm not asking If you think they should, I'm asking if you think EPCOT is their next target and if any expansion of the monorail will be included since theres already a station for it. Then: What might that look like? Mine "map" is from a magical world where money is no, object, my imagination. Forgive me for having one on a Disney website I'm a little surprised by the amount of venom involved in these responses but what would Disney be without villains right?

You, sir are no villain. You speak in fact and statistics and I appreciate you for that. 12 new trains for the current track, that does say a lot! I do want to say the price of anything goes down once you have a mold and make several of them. The first monorail design was very expensive, the next 6 expensive, the next 6 kind of expensive... I don't think Disney should just give up and destroy the monorail but that could be a generational view from someone who comes from a time when they were the future.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I hear everything you are saying, and you are making decent arguments but, with all due respect, I don't think you hearing me. I'm not asking If you think they should, I'm asking if you think EPCOT is their next target and if any expansion of the monorail will be included since theres already a station for it. Then: What might that look like? Mine "map" is from a magical world where money is no, object, my imagination. Forgive me for having one on a Disney website I'm a little surprised by the amount of venom involved in these responses but what would Disney be without villains right?

You, sir are no villain. You speak in fact and statistics and I appreciate you for that. 12 new trains for the current track, that does say a lot! I do want to say the price of anything goes down once you have a mold and make several of them. The first monorail design was very expensive, the next 6 expensive, the next 6 kind of expensive... I don't think Disney should just give up and destroy the monorail but that could be a generational view from someone who comes from a time when they were the future.
Considering there is, as you say, already the monorail going to EP, and that TWDC has no plans to expand it, either you're trolling or balmy....
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I hear everything you are saying, and you are making decent arguments but, with all due respect, I don't think you hearing me. I'm not asking If you think they should, I'm asking if you think EPCOT is their next target and if any expansion of the monorail will be included since theres already a station for it. Then: What might that look like? Mine "map" is from a magical world where money is no, object, my imagination. Forgive me for having one on a Disney website I'm a little surprised by the amount of venom involved in these responses but what would Disney be without villains right?

You, sir are no villain. You speak in fact and statistics and I appreciate you for that. 12 new trains for the current track, that does say a lot! I do want to say the price of anything goes down once you have a mold and make several of them. The first monorail design was very expensive, the next 6 expensive, the next 6 kind of expensive... I don't think Disney should just give up and destroy the monorail but that could be a generational view from someone who comes from a time when they were the future.

This is what I expect the monorail expansion to look like.

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S 2

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Original Poster
Click IGNORE.. click it! It will make us both so much happier, then you can live in the fantasy world where there are no monorails and you decide who says what on this public forum. click it. cliiiiiiiiiicl. cliiiiiiiiicl CLICK IT! Happiness begins when you do....
 

S 2

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Original Poster
Im gonna need them to complete my expansion before my vacation next year, I think thats reasonable...
 

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