MONORAIL EXPANSION COMING FOR EPCOT??

copcarguyp71

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Yup...but there was a time when Disney was bold enough to pioneer new technologies and inspire others to seek out new ways to look at a problem instead of doing what is cost effective all the time. They were (at one time) risk takers and dreamers...but those days have passed as I had said with Walt and Roy and that makes me sad to a point.
 

S 2

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You guys are too accepting of money "ruling" everything, how can you forget Disney's history so quickly!? WDW does plan to bring an expanded monorail at some point. They pull the project back out every now and then when things are going good. Look 150 years into the future, you really think they're going to spend money to demolish the monorails instead of spending as much to reinvest into the infrastructure they've already invested so much into, and one that has become such a huge part of the Disney Park brand? Think about the value it would add to all the resorts it connects, they could easily ask for $20+ a room, a night! The rooms, which are at 85% Occupancy, year round, as high as any hotel anywhere can expect to get I might add. I didn't mean to ask anyone if they should, but if they did, what do you imagine it might look like. I definitely think that EPCOT Resort loop that connects DHS would be worth the investment...
 

jbolen2

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With the magic bands I don't know why they wouldn't charge guest for using the monorail to fund an expansion. I know I wouldn't mind paying 10-20$ for a monorail pass good for the length of the stay to help justify the investment they would be making. You could even give it discounted to the ones staying at a hotel that is connected to it but not for us campers or other properties on the resort. I know we ride it every trip more as an entertainment so wouldn't mind paying something small to do so.
 

mouse_luv

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How do you propose they fund this Billion dollar endeavor?
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PhotoDave219

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$1 per guest for one year would generate around $20 million...

$20 Million wont even come close to what you're proposing. $500 Million - $1 Billion, conservatively. Including infrastructure, new trains, new train yard, etc.

So while it would be cool, its going to cost you a ridiculous amount of money to get that.
 

S 2

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Yes... mine was an ultimate goal, I think just an EPCOT resort loop would be a great start, is long overdue, and could help a reimagining of EPCOT that is long overdue as well...
 

S 2

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I agree, and I think both should come... I imagine that in the big picture of the property as a whole (in a century or even two) that they will slowly build lakes, and connect them the same way they will build out the monorail until the ultimate, ideal transportation system can be realized, no? The water that connects EPCOT and DHS for example could connect to Condado then to any other new resorts and eventually on to AK and AKL... A boat would be more appropriate travel from AKL although I believe a monorail could fit anywhere the way Mickey could, it all depends on the costume or, in the case of the monorail, the station you give it!
 

S 2

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Since the responses to this post are obsessed with the cost of things lets start small... It would be awesome to see EPCOT/DHS waterways connect to the Port Orleans River and Caribbean Beach Lake as well....that would connect a huge part of the property...

In fact after closer inspection it appears that there is a channel opposite of the International Gateway built for this...
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
$20 Million wont even come close to what you're proposing. $500 Million - $1 Billion, conservatively. Including infrastructure, new trains, new train yard, etc.

So while it would be cool, its going to cost you a ridiculous amount of money to get that.
But, think about all the added revenue when they add MB vending kiosks to the cars, not to mention the benefits of FP+! You can reserve your monorail 60 days in advance!
 

S 2

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$20 Million in 1 year is only a suggestion for one way you can start to pay for an ultimate transportation plan that, through a series of several expansions starting with an EPCOT Resort line. I'm not saying drop everything and build it all now, I'm pondering where the transportation is headed and asking: If they chose to focus on EPCOT in a few years after their investments into DHS and AK have paid off, and they included an investment into that monorail what do you think it would look like?

I gotta say I'm glad you guys aren't imagineers because the property might look more like a 6 flags if some of you were!
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
$20 Million in 1 year is only a suggestion for one way you can start to pay for an ultimate transportation plan that, through a series of several expansions starting with an EPCOT Resort line. I'm not saying drop everything and build it all now, I'm pondering where the transportation is headed and asking: If they chose to focus on EPCOT in a few years after their investments into DHS and AK have paid off, and they included an investment into that monorail what do you think it would look like?

I gotta say I'm glad you guys aren't imagineers because the property might look more like a 6 flags if some of you were!
$20 mil...when it was built originally it was around 1 mil a mile...it's probably closer to 10 - 15 mil now. So, we get a mile and a half of track.

I'd love to see an extended monorail, but frankly, they are having trouble keeping the ones they have now in serviceable condition. And, part of that, is that it doesn't generate revenues. Transportation is a must, but is cheaper/more efficient with the bus lines.

Do I like it? Not really...but, it makes sense.

The monorail vehicles are basically just busses anyway, and they have maintenance failures and breakdowns, but are harder to service (they need special dropdown tracks and special parts)...and when they do, break down that is, and they DO break down...it's hard to get people off and back on. A bus breaks down, they pull up a new bus (which can generally be emergency routed there within 10 - 15 minutes), block off a lane of traffic, and reload. With the monorail, you'd still have to get people off of the train at 15-20+ feet up in the air, you have to then transport them, and as the system doesn't always follow areas where this (nor evacuation routes) can be easily accessible, it makes it further complicated.

And, then, even after you've gotten everyone off, a broken monorail tanks the line, and potentially backs up the entire system, but because there is no live operational track switching inherent to the system, with runoff and avoidance tracks, like a traditional railway would have to allow trains to "pass" each other, combined with the fact that Disney is already averse to using track switches when the trains are occupied as much as they can since the accident many years back...yeah, just not gonna happen.

And, even after you've done that, if you can't get the train rolling again, THEN you have to usher out one of the tugs. Refer back to how "easy" that is to do, when the main line is clogged or taken at some point by other monorails, and there is no such thing as mass switching yards, like you'll find with more traditional rail systems.

It's an efficiency argument, not a lack of imagination.

And then there's the real impact on the Guests. If you've ever seen people irritated waiting for a bus (where capacity can be rerouted quickly due to demand flux because of the quasi flexible routing system due to utilizing the road networks)...you'd know that waiting 35 minutes for a slightly higher capacity vehicle...won't fly well. They won't care for it. You can see it, the crowd sentiment, on a hot summer afternoon at TTC...or in the rushes at MK at close to get back to TTC to get to their cars.

It's a traffic choke point. Wonderful idea, really, I adore the monorails...but, they really aren't able to keep up with traffic demands...not without major overhauls, and that means a lot more than $20 mil a year, or even triple that a year...

If we do see any train development, the best I'd imagine is a streetcar system...but, I strongly doubt Disney will ever set up monorails as a traffic system (as opposed to a "peoplemover" partial attraction) ever again. It was an experiment when they expanded it to EPCOT, not to mention thinking it was a great idea to bottleneck all of the traffic inbound to MK with it (and the boats)...and it just...didn't work as well as hoped. Certainly not with today's attendance numbers.
 
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S 2

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No single mode of transportation can be expected not to break down or to single handedly be able to move every guest around to all the different destinations around the property. Monorail with Boats with Buses with ??? Though... that works everytime. I wish they would connect the property with bike trails as well every little thing could make the traffic system as a whole work more smoothly. But the monorails are Disney now whether its easy or not and while I get what you were saying about the entire system I proposed, a big part of Walt's vision for EPCOT was monorails linking to it and at the very least, EPCOT resorts need the connection to the station that was built for it at EPCOT. It's like grandpa left you a house in the will and you change certain things, but theres also special objects or spots that you don't touch out of reverence and respect to grandpa and the monorails are one of these objects/symbols at Disney, we can never get rid of them. Plus Disney is king of figuring out how to do things just because they are awesome, no other reason needs to be given.
 

wm49rs

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No single mode of transportation can be expected not to break down or to single handedly be able to move every guest around to all the different destinations around the property. Monorail with Boats with Buses with ??? Though... that works everytime. I wish they would connect the property with bike trails as well every little thing could make the traffic system as a whole work more smoothly. But the monorails are Disney now whether its easy or not and while I get what you were saying about the entire system I proposed, a big part of Walt's vision for EPCOT was monorails linking to it and at the very least, EPCOT resorts need the connection to the station that was built for it at EPCOT. It's like grandpa left you a house in the will and you change certain things, but theres also special objects or spots that you don't touch out of reverence and respect to grandpa and the monorails are one of these objects/symbols at Disney, we can never get rid of them. Plus Disney is king of figuring out how to do things just because they are awesome, no other reason needs to be given.
TWDC isn't getting rid of the monorails, but they're not expanding them either. See the difference?
 

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