MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

danlb_2000

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For Universal to reach 10 million guests they will need another 2.1 million guests. Highly unlikely even with more Potter. Even after a full year of the next phase of Potter, It would be pushing it for IoA to get to 9 million. Throw in the fact the fad audience that went to Potter the first time will have to decide to go again, and its not unrealistic for pundits to doubt that they might not even get that.

Universal has much too much faith in Potter.

Disney quietly, slowly building permanent long term upgrades like MM+ will win the race they are clearly out in front in.

Jimmy Thick- Universal room occupancy rates after Potter 2.0? 40%. Disney, 85-90%. Book it.

I think you seriously underestimate the Potter franchise. It believe it has proven that it is not just a fad and it will have lasting significance.

Disney obviously has faith in Harry Potter, because guess what I am watching right now on a Disney owned channel? A 12 year old Harry Potter movie.
 

Jimmy Thick

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I think you seriously underestimate the Potter franchise. It believe it has proven that it is not just a fad and it will have lasting significance.

Disney obviously has faith in Harry Potter, because guess what I am watching right now on a Disney owned channel? A 12 year old Harry Potter movie.


I don't underestimate Potter, Iam realistic.

Its hard not to think Potter is not a fad when IoA is still the same mediocre park that averaged 5 million people that just now has a decent Potter ride and a value engineered coaster. Potter is a great short term solution, but when the fad leaves or Comcast goes caput, everyone will be saying, " You know, Disney kinda knocked it out of the park with MM+..."

A couple years ago Lady Gaga was absolutely huge, now, not so much. You could make the same comparison to Potter at IoA.

Jimmy Thick- Without a meat dress.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
Disney obviously has faith in Harry Potter, because guess what I am watching right now on a Disney owned channel? A 12 year old Harry Potter movie.
So, not sure that means anything about park attendance. Disney shows HP because people will sit and watch the movie, and commercials, making it attractive to advertisers buying commercial time. That does not translate to people spending a couple thou to go to Florida to see potterville year after year after year.
 

Clamman73

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I think you seriously underestimate the Potter franchise. It believe it has proven that it is not just a fad and it will have lasting significance.

Disney obviously has faith in Harry Potter, because guess what I am watching right now on a Disney owned channel? A 12 year old Harry Potter movie.

Boooooooo...Little Mermaid is on ABCfamily....;)
 

luv

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I don't underestimate Potter, Iam realistic.

Its hard not to think Potter is not a fad when IoA is still the same mediocre park that averaged 5 million people that just now has a decent Potter ride and a value engineered coaster. Potter is a great short term solution, but when the fad leaves or Comcast goes caput, everyone will be saying, " You know, Disney kinda knocked it out of the park with MM+..."

A couple years ago Lady Gaga was absolutely huge, now, not so much. You could make the same comparison to Potter at IoA.

Jimmy Thick- Without a meat dress.
As long as children read (or are read to), Harry Potter will remain popular. If Orlando ceased to exist, Harry Potter would still be popular.
 

twebber55

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I don't underestimate Potter, Iam realistic.

Its hard not to think Potter is not a fad when IoA is still the same mediocre park that averaged 5 million people that just now has a decent Potter ride and a value engineered coaster. Potter is a great short term solution, but when the fad leaves or Comcast goes caput, everyone will be saying, " You know, Disney kinda knocked it out of the park with MM+..."

A couple years ago Lady Gaga was absolutely huge, now, not so much. You could make the same comparison to Potter at IoA.

Jimmy Thick- Without a meat dress.
in my 18 years of being in education HP is by far the most read book series...in fact IMO HP changed reading in America for young people, doubt it s a fad
 
On a side note about Comcast,

With tv/cable subscriptions down and the revenue that Comcast makes from it goes down from people discovering streaming tv via hulu/Netflix/what have you, cable providers (Comcast included) have started selling "internet home packages" like they do "cellphone internet packages"

Instead of buying unlimited home internet at 12MB, 24MB or what have you, you now have to pick if you want 300GBs a month, 500 GBs a month etc and with each GB, the prices are going up.

As TV/CABLE subscribers dies out, this is how Comcast will regain their lost revenue and fund Universal for us :)
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Its hard not to think Potter is not a fad when IoA is still the same mediocre park that averaged 5 million people that just now has a decent Potter ride and a value engineered coaster.
HA!
BTW, Jimmy, I'm sorry if you've already "answered" this, but if MM+ is such a booming success, what's the deal with all the firings at the top of the project?
 
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danlb_2000

Premium Member
I don't underestimate Potter, Iam realistic.

Its hard not to think Potter is not a fad when IoA is still the same mediocre park that averaged 5 million people that just now has a decent Potter ride and a value engineered coaster. Potter is a great short term solution, but when the fad leaves or Comcast goes caput, everyone will be saying, " You know, Disney kinda knocked it out of the park with MM+..."

A couple years ago Lady Gaga was absolutely huge, now, not so much. You could make the same comparison to Potter at IoA.

Jimmy Thick- Without a meat dress.

We shall see. Personally I believe Potter brought a lot of people to Uni for the first time and they saw that these parks are actually work going to for things other then Potter.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
So, not sure that means anything about park attendance. Disney shows HP because people will sit and watch the movie, and commercials, making it attractive to advertisers buying commercial time. That does not translate to people spending a couple thou to go to Florida to see potterville year after year after year.

I was just using it as a demonstration that Potter is not a fad and has staying power.
 

Jimmy Thick

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On a side note about Comcast,

With tv/cable subscriptions down and the revenue that Comcast makes from it goes down from people discovering streaming tv via hulu/Netflix/what have you, cable providers (Comcast included) have started selling "internet home packages" like they do "cellphone internet packages"

Instead of buying unlimited home internet at 12MB, 24MB or what have you, you now have to pick if you want 300GBs a month, 500 GBs a month etc and with each GB, the prices are going up.

As TV/CABLE subscribers dies out, this is how Comcast will regain their lost revenue and fund Universal for us :)

Highly unlikely.

Comcast looks to be the biggest loser in the whole end of cable TV. Satellite internet is as fast yet significantly cheaper. Plus there are other companies destined to take over what Comcast already has, those things are already happening. Comcast's big push into theme parks could be a plan for survival, while its noteworthy, its still completely underwhelming in the face of titans such as Disney and in the event the fad audience leaves, Comcast will not have much left to go on.

All brokers of substance are saying to dump Comcast, that's the first sign of trouble, ask Enron.

That's a real comparison.

Jimmy Thick- Think maybe Disney knows what they are doing here taking it slow and letting the chips fall? MM+ is such a genius move, too bad people don't see it.
 

DznyGrlSD

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In the Parks
Yes
But, I can think of a lot of nice things that money could also have bought. And, I know it's a distraction. And that concerns me more. It distracts management and cast away from focusing on the real mission of Disney. Making Magic.

That means, when someone calls your front desk to report that the chest of drawers in your $230 a night room is missing a handle...you don't wait until after that person's 10 day stay to replace the handle (not sure if they ever did).

It means when some snotty guest rips the emblem off of Sally at the Cars section of AoA within a few weeks of opening, you replace it (which I noted happened on my 2012 trip...and based on pictures I've seen of people who stayed there as recently as a few months ago...nope, Sally still has no hood emblem).

It means that you hire quality people and more imporantly compensate them and train them and follow up with their behaviours. For example, mousekeepers reporting facility issues instead of allowing guests to experience worn out spigots (like I did at Pop) that burn their kid because the washer is so worn it goes from cold to scalding hot with a tap.

It means that at your food courts, you don't let them get disgusting with dead roaches on the floor (want pictures from POFQ? I got em...if you want proof). It means you keep the beverage area clean and well stocked, with the ice melted (ever heard of hot water? Works wonders for that).

It means that you instill in your Cast members what it means to be "on stage" vs "off stage" so that they aren't openly gossiping about who is ging whom while you wait in line (granted, this was FAR worse at Legoland, but I saw it several times at Disney this past trip).

It means that you take care of Push the trash can and replace his missing rivits when they come loose and occassionally send him out for a new powdercoat.

It means that you clean the monorail carpets with a high pressure hot water clean at least once a week, not just let them wear and tear.

It means that the monorail drivers care enough about the vehicles they pilot that they notice these things and report them to maintenance.

It means all the LEDs and guns work on Space Ranger Spin, and if one does go down, the CMs are smart enough to either a) replace the part quickly (no reason this couldn't be done while the ride is moving, just a thought), b) report it to overnight maintenance but never c) put a plastic bag over the units to "mark" that that car is broken (assuming they even notice).

It means that management actually walks the park...not in a gaggle of managers so they can get their rears shined by CM lips, or for press events, but actually ride the rides, and see the issues themselves.

I could go on a very long time about these things. And, while they seem nitpicky (and some of them are)...every brush stroke contributes to a masterful painting. When certain strokes start to fade and chip, it effects the whole work.

This THIS THIS!!! A MILLION TIMES THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Jimmy Thick

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HA!
BTW, Jimmy, I'm sorry if you've already "answered" this, but if MM+ is such a booming success, what's the deal with all the firings at the top of the project?

Who was fired from the MM+ that can actually be proven? If people associated with MM+ were fired because of it, I would like to read Disney's press release.

Jimmy Thick- Proof from Disney please.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
Not arguing any merits but internet home data caps are already happening. Here is a seemingly well put together article on it if you are curious.

http://gigaom.com/2013/11/08/looks-like-comcast-is-quietly-pushing-a-300-gb-cap-and-overage-charges/

And that article is why Comcast will more than likely fail in internet.

People don't like late fees or data overages, this move is like putting a gun to their face and pulling the trigger.

Jimmy Thick- Remember Blockbuster?
 

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