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Thats OK then. Ill just dismiss my concerns on your say so. So I will be able to get multiple Fastpasses for the major rides in each park I visit. Good to know.
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MM+ Why we can't have nice things.
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Thats OK then. Ill just dismiss my concerns on your say so. So I will be able to get multiple Fastpasses for the major rides in each park I visit. Good to know.
WDWDad13
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Funny I'm a DVC member as well with premium APs, had Christmas party tickets on there as well....worked perfect after I linked my AP voucher to them
Zip a dee doo dah. That makes the system 1-1 between the two of us.....
WDWDad13
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As I said my guess is you didn't have something configured right initially before trying to use them.
Ben_since_1971
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Y'all won't want to hear my story - just completed two weeks (Dec 2-15). Stayed at CBR. Used MB with no problems. All my meals, purchases and FP+ reservations went without a hitch. I was able to get FP reservations for more than one headliner per day but I understand they are doing away with that (can't say I am happy about that either). I am a planner, so being able to add that extra bit of planning was a plus for me. Yes it does take away from some of the spontaneity, but I was still able to grab a couple of hours on a couple of days and just go out to one of the village beaches and enjoy reading a book while the world passed me by. I think the system is great. I don't give a rat's patootie what it cost. Yes I think some of the attractions are a little old, outdated and stale. But I cannot think of a better way or place to spend my vacation dollars. And since I know how much I spend at WDW, anything that can help me maximize my time I will gladly use.
Now you will excuse me while I go and start planning next year's trip I booked using the bounce back offer.
Now you will excuse me while I go and start planning next year's trip I booked using the bounce back offer.
Of course, it just had to be user error. Which of course accounts for three out of four bands being allowed access to the parks every day, or dropped ADRs, or they're not opening the door to our room on more than one occasion. Spin it how you like Disney ended up 1-1 between the two of us....
WDWDad13
Well-Known Member
Whoa I didn't mean you made the mistake..I meant you as in your bands didn't have something configured right initially. Whatever the case may be. It's all good
WDWDad13
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Fair enough, my mistake....
I could always talk about my aunt, uncle, their three kids, their kid's spouses, and their 8 grandkids who were there first of the month that had so many issues they have vowed to never return. And they went with hopes of buying DVC, very much the pure definition of the casual park goer.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Well, obviously they don't know how to use the website to link their bands properly!
doctornick
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OK, it has been reported by many (knowledgably) folks that they have had MB/MM+/FP+ problems. Sure, some people simply didn't set up things right, but it's not fair to just dismiss someone's negative experience just because yours was positive. There are folks who have had problems with "glitches" with MM+/FP+ and it can negatively affect one's vacation. I do feel sorry for those folks.
That said, it seems that such negative issues have dramatically decreased from earlier testing, even with far more people using the MBs. My guess is that Disney has actually worked through and lessened the problems, as should be happening during a testing period. Certainly, that is small consolation for people who had a trip negatively affected, but still is a step in the right direction. On that note, I think people whose complaints about MM+/FP+ is that it "doesn't work right" are goign to have that problem solved in the long run and it won't be a particuarly valid complaint. I mean, there will always be an occasional person who has a problem -- as there is for almost any complex system -- but the percentage of people for whom MM+/FP+/MBs don't "work as advertised" will eventionally be a blip in the stats, probably sooner than later.
That leaves the main complaints to be:
(1) people getting fewer FPs than previous or having to schedule them in advance and not beign spontaneous
(2) the opportunity cost of implimenting MM+ versus using that money for other things (i.e. new attractions).
To the former, well, it sucks, but it is jsut how it is. some people will like and benefit more from the new system; others won't. An individual just has to decide how the system affects their WDW vacation and whether it pushes it to a point of being "not worth it" or "go less frequently" or whatever. From my prospective, I don't like being limited in FPs per day (limit of 3, tiering at DHS/Epcot, no ride repeats) but do like the pre-booking, able to sleep in late aspects. I also like the MBs and how it simplified things and added a (marginal) interesting experience with using the bands compared to the cards.
To the second point, I agree and wish that MM+ cost far less, but some aspects of it were necessary and good and it might potentially make back some of the money put there. If it does, hopefully, Burbank will be willing to loosen the pursestrings and get building again.
We'll see.
WDWDad13
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Care to elaborate on that statement?
doctornick
Well-Known Member
? Can you expand?
While all this is going on the founder of Twitter was just named to Disney's board of directors.
That would explain... a lot
flyerjab
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I think that a lot of this comes down to public perception and in the end is more loathsome to those who (1) have frequented the parks for decades, (2) became familiar with how to use and abuse the previous FP system, (3) have been eagerly waiting on WDW to spend billions on park expansions and new C,D,E ticket rides and instead have been given ubercool wristbands.
Ultimately, the great majority of WDW guests don't visit this site (or others like it) and may be first timers to WDW or just infrequent visitors over time. I would think that for those people, especially those from other countries/continents/US states, they would find the NGE/FP+ system advantageous for them as it allows them advanced access to rides instead of waiting for the paper FP tickets inside the parks after their arrival. For these people, maybe it appears as a perceived advantage to them. Certainly now that they don't have to fear the salty WDW veterans on this site that know every inch of the park, which bathrooms supply the best water pressure, which park benches have the least amount of unrepaired paint chips, etc. For them, maybe now the playing field seems (or will appear) more even from a planning/playing perspective. And this group of people is huge compared to the fervent vocal minority on this site. IMO, I could see how this could promote staying on site vs. off property.
For those that frequent this site, I understand the absolute frustration. There are people here (many AP holders) that have probably visited WDW so many times they could tour it blindfolded. Unfortunately, this new FP+ system will provide little value other than the ability to swith FPs the day of. As far as carrying only one thing - a magic band - as opposed to multiple cards and tickets...I'm sorry Dad No. 13, that example is not the selling point for these people and you will never convince them otherwise. Some have truly given up on WDW and now only use their DVC property as a home base to visit the evil empire up the highway. Also, taking away virtually as many FPs in a day that one guest could accumulate to only 3 in one day for one park is also a hard sell to the experienced people.
But I will also add this thought Dad No. 13. You are one of the few people on this site that likes WDW and most of what they offer more than I do. I have only been visiting this world since 2009. Many things are still exciting for me as I have not been numbed by years upon years of visitation. And that is not a slight at all to those people, because I understand and respect a higher demand of satisfaction after years of dedication to a brand. I might very well fall into that bucket as I continue to vacation there. My only issue is when people that actually like the current version of the product are called plants, trolls, or employed by WDW. People can like this system just as strongly as those that oppose it and should not be condemned for doing so. Again, this comes back to my argument of perception. People perceive that this new system provides them a valuble service, and that is a win for them (as well as for WDW). But I don't think that they should be labeled as pixiedusters or whatever other wonderfully inventive names are thought up.
And for the record, my wife and I went over Labor Day weekend and used the FP+ system and had zero problems. Additionally, my wife just got back from a 5 day vacation at WDW for the Christmas Parade and the bands and FP+ elements worked flawlessly. I think in concept it is a neat perk, but have yet to see the amazing advantages. And I still do not appreciate the 3 FPs per day in one park only. That irritates me.
Ultimately, the great majority of WDW guests don't visit this site (or others like it) and may be first timers to WDW or just infrequent visitors over time. I would think that for those people, especially those from other countries/continents/US states, they would find the NGE/FP+ system advantageous for them as it allows them advanced access to rides instead of waiting for the paper FP tickets inside the parks after their arrival. For these people, maybe it appears as a perceived advantage to them. Certainly now that they don't have to fear the salty WDW veterans on this site that know every inch of the park, which bathrooms supply the best water pressure, which park benches have the least amount of unrepaired paint chips, etc. For them, maybe now the playing field seems (or will appear) more even from a planning/playing perspective. And this group of people is huge compared to the fervent vocal minority on this site. IMO, I could see how this could promote staying on site vs. off property.
For those that frequent this site, I understand the absolute frustration. There are people here (many AP holders) that have probably visited WDW so many times they could tour it blindfolded. Unfortunately, this new FP+ system will provide little value other than the ability to swith FPs the day of. As far as carrying only one thing - a magic band - as opposed to multiple cards and tickets...I'm sorry Dad No. 13, that example is not the selling point for these people and you will never convince them otherwise. Some have truly given up on WDW and now only use their DVC property as a home base to visit the evil empire up the highway. Also, taking away virtually as many FPs in a day that one guest could accumulate to only 3 in one day for one park is also a hard sell to the experienced people.
But I will also add this thought Dad No. 13. You are one of the few people on this site that likes WDW and most of what they offer more than I do. I have only been visiting this world since 2009. Many things are still exciting for me as I have not been numbed by years upon years of visitation. And that is not a slight at all to those people, because I understand and respect a higher demand of satisfaction after years of dedication to a brand. I might very well fall into that bucket as I continue to vacation there. My only issue is when people that actually like the current version of the product are called plants, trolls, or employed by WDW. People can like this system just as strongly as those that oppose it and should not be condemned for doing so. Again, this comes back to my argument of perception. People perceive that this new system provides them a valuble service, and that is a win for them (as well as for WDW). But I don't think that they should be labeled as pixiedusters or whatever other wonderfully inventive names are thought up.
And for the record, my wife and I went over Labor Day weekend and used the FP+ system and had zero problems. Additionally, my wife just got back from a 5 day vacation at WDW for the Christmas Parade and the bands and FP+ elements worked flawlessly. I think in concept it is a neat perk, but have yet to see the amazing advantages. And I still do not appreciate the 3 FPs per day in one park only. That irritates me.
pax_65
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We had 8 people in our party, and 7 of our bands worked flawlessly. That's a pretty good percentage. But it was a real problem, because we couldn't get FP+ for our whole party. We spoke to 8 different people and Disney could not fix the problem - they just kept giving us a paper FP to use instead of the band.
So when it works perfectly, it's fine. But if there's the slightest problem, it kinda sucks.
Still, my problem is more with the $$$ that was spent and the limited benefit to guests vs the new attractions we could have had for that money.
So when it works perfectly, it's fine. But if there's the slightest problem, it kinda sucks.
Still, my problem is more with the $$$ that was spent and the limited benefit to guests vs the new attractions we could have had for that money.
So he was...
They needed a known face to be taken seriously when they start selling off all that data they are collecting.