If I stay off site and can't get a Fastpass at 10am for Test Track later that day, as I could this past trip, where's the positive?
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MM+ Why we can't have nice things.
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WDWDad13
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so are you saying that is part of the problem? most of the people on here bashing NGE will never like it regardless just like you're saying I liked it before and of course I'm going to like it after I used it.
trust me... if I had an issue... I would be all on bash-it bandwagon..... but I didn't and I used it for A LOT of things
WDWDad13
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good news my friend... they are starting to open up FP+ to non-resort guests (EPCOT coming soon... but I'm sure you already knew that)
WDWDad13
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I feel like I am wasting my time sharing my positive real life experiences using NGE over the past 2 weeks with everyone on here.... those who think they hate it... won't believe there are any positives to it regardless
I should be using my time better and planning my next trip with my family while you all continue to bash it and complain about anything (good or bad) WDW does - have at it
Everyone is welcome to their opinion and I respect it... but if you haven't actually used it or are so closed minded to not see anything positive about anything WDW does, then that's a sad way to live.
Life is too short... go enjoy it
I should be using my time better and planning my next trip with my family while you all continue to bash it and complain about anything (good or bad) WDW does - have at it
Everyone is welcome to their opinion and I respect it... but if you haven't actually used it or are so closed minded to not see anything positive about anything WDW does, then that's a sad way to live.
Life is too short... go enjoy it
And I did. And had more than enough issues to make me question the investment.....
I'm sure he does as well. Before most around here....
You misread my post. If I want a Fastpass at say 11am on the same day as visiting and I find they are all distributed - unlike previous years - that will not be a positive.
WDWDad13
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Just like wasting time visiting a fastpass machine in the parks (when you could already be waiting in line there or somewhere else) to then find out the times aren't what you want or they are sold out too
Recon443
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This is true to some extent. I visited this board heavily prior to visiting WDW because I thought I could get some information as to what is new and what is going on. I actually believed folks on this board were informed. Then came the MB kerfuffle.
Before my visit, I read all about the MB/FP+ and all I saw were horror stories and speculation of how miserable it would be. Went to WDW, used my MB's and quickly came to the realization that the overwhelming majority of folks on this board had no idea what they were talking about. Heck they had never even used the system! So I came on to note how well the system worked for me. That was not well received. (Imagine that, a person who really used the system being scolded by someone who hasn't.)
Take your post as an example. You offer your speculation as to why the system cannot be exported to other parks, but your speculation is neither informed nor is it even offered in a informed manner. (I really like the new park can't handle a new system. That one is hilarious!) In fact, none of your reasons for not implementing the system hold weight at all. The strongest argument you have is the DLP financial one, but even that one doesn't mean the system CANNOT be implemented.
Bottom line: You are not informed as to whether the system can or cannot be implemented at other parks. And your postings indicate you have no experience with the MB system either. So while you most certainly can comment on things you don't know about, you should also not get upset when you are challenged, like you are now.
I have to tread lightly here, but I will just say that I have been "exposed" to exhaustive research from a time when Disney was trying to sell FP 1.0 to rival parks (yes, it happened). Lots and lots of industrial engineering work done and a lot of it came to the conclusion that FP was a waste of time and resources for all but the most popular of attractions and even then only on high attendance days. It was also the recommendation from this group that the only way to increase theme park capacity and visitor satisfaction was to build more attractions and higher capacity attractions at that.
We all know what Disney ended up doing. The theme park that took a pass on this nonsense and chose to go the other way is Europa Park.
Recon443
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You get two seats, just like on an airline.
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only in ubber loyalist land can you equate a 5 min detour to be comparable with a 40 min line wait.
Not right in the head
Not right in the head
No, the true bottom line is that no matter what, you will continue to spout whatever lines suits your own purpose, or of others. You're not truly interested in what either I or anyone else has to say that's remotely disparaging of the company line. Solid effort though.....
Nothing of the kind. But since in your ever expanding post above you said you feel like you're wasting your time here it's not worth explaining.
Thanks for that post. Very insightful.
space42
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This is exactly right. Disney's whole premise is that encouraging people to plan their vacations months in advance leads to more time and $$$ spent in the parks. I don't plan months in advance. It's just my personal preference - I prefer to allow some spontaneity on vacation, to go to bed and say, "What do you feel like doing tomorrow?" - or even wake up that morning and do what we feel like doing. After all, it's a vacation!
As a result, since the Dining Plan has forced people to make ADRs months in advance, my dining on Disney property has gone WAY down. I can't get a reservation same day or a day or two in advance like I used to. So where I used to eat a sit-down meal on property 4-5 times during a 10-day trip, now I usually eat just 1-2. The rest of the time is counter service (if we're in a park) or a nice dinner off-property (if we really want a good meal). I do miss eating at Le Cellier and Tony's, so you can definitely say that my experience is now worse than it used to be. I accept that, it's my choice. But that's still the reality of the situation. Disney is certainly losing some revenue from me, but they seem to be making up for it from other people.
I fear MM+ may have a similar result. Will I ride Soarin' and TSMM more or less than before? I'm thinking probably a bit less, since I was unable to get same-day FPs for these attractions. We were able to get them for later in the week (and hit the standby line at park opening), so it worked ok for us... but still...
Interestingly, during a pretty busy time around Thanksgiving, Soarin' and TSMM were the only attractions where we had difficulty getting same or next-day FPs. Maybe this will get worse as the system rolls out, but I think it's more a symptom that there aren't enough hot attractions that are really in demand. Every time I see the FP queue for the teacups I chuckle.
An example:
I was at Fort Wilderness the first week of December which is historically a slower time period. We typically (for about the last 15 years) enjoyed going to Trails End on the last day of our trip. First seating for dinner was 4pm. We walked up around 3:30 to inquire about having dinner. "No, sorry - we do not accept walk ups and we are all booked for dinner"! ???? You've got to be kidding me. The camp ground wasn't even close to full. So, we got in the car and drove to a much better restaurant off of sr 535 and they were more than willing to seat us. We ended up having a much nicer meal for about 1/2 of the price so I guess this was a 'win'.
doctornick
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Still, if they are letting in a 4:1 ratio fro FP compared to Standby, you have to have over 4 times the number of people in the FP line than standby to make the wait longer for FP than it is for standby. And given the relatively popularity of BTM (and thus how long the standby line always is), I find it hard to believe that such a large number of FP+ were distributed to cause such a dramatic increase in FP wait times.
Did BTM go down earlier in the day? I guess if that were the case and you have people coming back with "old" FP+ and paper FP that were not used, then it might explain a long FP line, but otherwise, I just don't see it. We've never had to wait more than a few minutes to get through the second FP check (at the merge with standby).
Recon443
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I am more than interested in what others have to say, you guys not so much. I offered that I had nothing but a positive experience and challenged the accepted 'this will be a disaster' mantra on this board.
Guess what? it hasn't been a disaster. Oh, oh......somebody has been wrong.
You don't spout whatever line suits your purpose? Not so. I recommend you read your own postings.
Disneyhead'71
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Maybe you are just one of the few lucky ones. I had family in over Thanksgiving and they had multiple problems. One of their 3 bands they couldn't get to work/link even after multiple visits to the front desk. They eventually basically gave up and just used the 2 working bands for everything but meals which was a total cluster because they were on the dining plan and one of the bands wouldn't work so the server had to enter that guest manually at every meal.
And my brother and sister in law just left yesterday, and they had so many problems that although it was her 29th trip, she swears she isn't paying that kind of money again until they get the bugs worked out. Although, she is an uber planner and thinks she will like the system after it's up to speed, my brother seemed to think that he will let her come alone next time because the schedule she had them on was stressful and exhausting.
Had not been down yet at that point in the day, it did however go down during EMH. I agree, I have never had an issue with it until seeing it firsthand. Only difference was really FP+. The CMs scanning the line were getting EARfuls from guests.
And yet you've continued to engage in discussion here, even with the "disaster mantra" ongoing. Guess you have your reasons, financial or otherwise....
And my posting have come from personal experience that, while not a "disaster," (an adjective I never personally used), was less than stellar for a project valued at well over $1B and climbing.