MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

doctornick

Well-Known Member
If I stay off site and can't get a Fastpass at 10am for Test Track later that day, as I could this past trip, where's the positive?

Let's be fair. As we all know, FP+ does not create capacity it only redistributes it. So, yes, you staying off site could very well be worse off with FP+. But if true that means that some other guest who previously would not have had a TT FP will get one and have a theoretically better experience. The FP+ aspect of MM+ will help some people and hurt others. That's undeniable.

Some of the MM+/MB aspects of the project, however, could theoretically "help" everyone depending on how beneficial you view the idea of having a band instead of a card and being able to "touch" to pay, open doors/gates, etc. But the "benefit" there is quite subjective and certainly not large.
 

Recon443

Active Member
And yet you've continued to engage in discussion here, even with the "disaster mantra" ongoing. Guess you have your reasons, financial or otherwise....

And my posting have come from personal experience that, while not a "disaster," (an adjective I never personally used), was less than stellar for a project valued at well over $1B and climbing.
I do continue to engage in discussion. I like the not so subtle 'Disney plant' accusation, but what else is to be expected?

BTW: Just to clarify and to prove that folks on here really have no clue: What is the cost? $1, $1.5, or $2 Billion? All have been stated as 'fact' by various haters of the MB system.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Let's be fair. As we all know, FP+ does not create capacity it only redistributes it. So, yes, you staying off site could very well be worse off with FP+. But if true that means that some other guest who previously would not have had a TT FP will get one and have a theoretically better experience. The FP+ aspect of MM+ will help some people and hurt others. That's undeniable..

So in effect there's no net increase in a majority of guests who benefit? It just shifts the good and the bad evenly?

And it cost how much?
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Had not been down yet at that point in the day, it did however go down during EMH. I agree, I have never had an issue with it until seeing it firsthand. Only difference was really FP+. The CMs scanning the line were getting EARfuls from guests.

Well if your experience is accurate, I can only imagine that it was a major glitch in the system that allowed for a larger than allowed number of FP+ or paper FP to be given out for that timeframe. I don't think it is a "problem" goign forward under normally operating conditions.
 

aka_emilicious

Well-Known Member
I always thought the largest benefit (to Disney of course), would be the increased labor planning. After a while, Disney should have a far more accurate picture of park capacity and staffing needs. My guess is this would result in a "savings" by not over staffing. Though IMO, guest service should trump lean management.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
I do continue to engage in discussion. I like the not so subtle 'Disney plant' accusation, but what else is to be expected?

BTW: Just to clarify and to prove that folks on here really have no clue: What is the cost? $1, $1.5, or $2 Billion? All have been stated as 'fact' by various haters of the MB system.
No, you engage in insults and blind loyalty, not much else.

And what would the figure really matter to you? It would be derided by you regardless of the dollar amount....
 

Recon443

Active Member
No, you engage in insults and blind loyalty, not much else.

And what would the figure really matter to you? It would be derided by you regardless of the dollar amount....
So you don't know, do you? Hilarious. It is Ok to admit you don't know, after all you are just like me a poster on a message board with no more insight or knowledge than the next person.

Blind loyalty? Hardly. I just pointed out that it worked for me, which folks like you don't want to read about. And yet I am the insulting and closed minded one.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
So in effect there's no net increase in a majority of guests who benefit? It just shifts the good and the bad evenly?

And it cost how much?

In terms of wait times for rides, there is no net benefit for guests. Of that I totally agree. Some guests benefit, others are harmed.

Is there some other intrinsic benefits to MM+/MBs or even electronic FP? I think there is, though it's small and might appeal to some guests far more than others.

Do I think that MM+ has been worth the cost? Absolutely not, though I think a chunk of that cost was going to have to be paid at some point for IT upgrades (both online and onsight) regardless of a specific project called MM+ so I don't think it's fair to condemn all of the money spent as worthless. I certainly wish more money had been spend on attractions instead though.

That said, I think many people here are overly quick to condemn everything about MM+ without acknowledging some aspects that are beneficial -- or potentially beneficial in the future by laying a better tech foundation. I don't think that's fair, even if the project is significantly overpriced.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
So you don't know, do you? Hilarious. It is Ok to admit you don't know, after all you are just like me a poster on a message board with no more insight or knowledge than the next person.

Blind loyalty? Hardly. I just pointed out that it worked for me, which folks like you don't want to read about. And yet I am the insulting and closed minded one.
The precise number? No, do you? Perhaps you have better channels inside the company to obtain that sort of information....

Present tense: insulting one.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
So you don't know, do you? Hilarious. It is Ok to admit you don't know, after all you are just like me a poster on a message board with no more insight or knowledge than the next person.

Blind loyalty? Hardly. I just pointed out that it worked for me, which folks like you don't want to read about. And yet I am the insulting and closed minded one.

It's cost A LOT. How's that? Does the exact dollar figure matter?
 

ScoutN

OV 104
Premium Member
Well if your experience is accurate, I can only imagine that it was a major glitch in the system that allowed for a larger than allowed number of FP+ or paper FP to be given out for that timeframe. I don't think it is a "problem" goign forward under normally operating conditions.

Without seeing the numbers of how allotments are done it will be difficult to say. BTM was just one example of the others that I listed, though. Many on different days.
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
So you don't know, do you? Hilarious. It is Ok to admit you don't know, after all you are just like me a poster on a message board with no more insight or knowledge than the next person.

Blind loyalty? Hardly. I just pointed out that it worked for me, which folks like you don't want to read about. And yet I am the insulting and closed minded one.


Seems we're in the minority here...people who have actually used it recently, have a real life experience with it, and are open minded about change

It worked very well for my family as well and we used a single magic band for 5 different things for 2 weeks without a single issue
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
So you don't know, do you? Hilarious. It is Ok to admit you don't know, after all you are just like me a poster on a message board with no more insight or knowledge than the next person.

Blind loyalty? Hardly. I just pointed out that it worked for me, which folks like you don't want to read about. And yet I am the insulting and closed minded one.

You could flip that on its head and say, that despite being explained at length, you refuse to accept the changes are going to lessen many peoples experiences compared to previous visits.

I wouldnt say you are insulting, patronising and narcissistic certainly.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Seems we're in the minority here...people who have actually used it recently, have a real life experience with it, and are open minded about change

It worked very well for my family as well and we used a single magic band for 5 different things for 2 weeks without a single issue
Used it at Thanksgiving. Suppose you overlooked that detail however....
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
You could flip that on its head and say, that despite being explained at length, you refuse to accept the changes are going to lessen many peoples experiences compared to previous visits.

I wouldnt say you are insulting, patronising and narcissistic certainly.

There are WAY many more pros than cons I experienced on my recent trip....of course I wouldn't expect many around here to believe me after all what do I know, I just used them for 14 days with 5 in my party and 1 magic band was used for 5 different uses and we had no issues
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Without seeing the numbers of how allotments are done it will be difficult to say. BTM was just one example of the others that I listed, though. Many on different days.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that FP+ lines were longer than standby on anything but rare/unsual circumstance (like a ride being down and people all coming back when it comes back up). It certainly was not my experience when I went in early December and FP+/paper FP always got me on the rides quickly -- a light time of year, yes, but still quicker than the regular standby lines. I have seen some backup at the FP+ sensors at the opening to rides but that usually gets worked through quickly and then one can speed through the FP queue to the second sensor. The wait time just shifts to more time at the first sensor/FP check and less time at the second check.

We even used FP+ on Buzz once and it was a marginal benefit -- probably got in front of 15 or 20 people so it might have saved us a few minutes but it certainly wasn't longer than standby.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
My guess is something wasn't setup correctly in advance. Did you get grey magic bands at checkin or did you pre order and set everything up online
Everything in advance. Should I break down the individual colors of the bands for each family member? Or perhaps blame the issues on the fact we're DVC members, and it's system just hasn't quite caught up to the radical advances elsewhere on the Disney interwebs?
 

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