MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

[wm49rs]

no one said Martin doesn't know things... I know he does... been around long enough to see that... and I respect him.... what NONE OF US know if is any single dollar spent for NGE would have been used for a NEW attraction a WDW in Florida. Based on all the new things being build prior to NGE in WDW, I doubt it (and it saddens me to say that)

I'm sure you've been around long enough....

And again, how is that a endorsement for NGE? And as Martin has said, since they did implement it, other projects are being impacted (on both coasts).

 

[pheneix]

1. If Rasulo and Staggs tel DLR (or DLP etc.) that they are getting MM+/MBs/FP+/whatever, then they are getting them. Colglazier can't just say "no, we don't want it". Same goes with the cruise ships.

2. DLP's financial woes are a good reason why they would get MM+ -- if it can be monitized to even some degree and added with not too excessive costs to that resort, it would make some sense.

3. I actually think OLC and TDL might be interested in MM+ et al once the kinks are worked out. The pre-planning aspect would seem to fit into the culture of Japan well (keep in mind that tickets for TDL parks are only good for specific dates so there's already some pre-planning involved there).

I don't see DLR requiring everyone to get MBs to enter the parks, but I fully expect that they will show up at there at least for resort guests at some time. As has already been shown at WDW, you don't need to have everyone have MBs (or RFID cards) to make things work, but you can use them for some people.

On #2: DLRP cannot afford labor associated with getting this off the ground without cash infusion from WDC. Given all the other things that need cash infusions at that resort as it is putting MM+ on top of their current woes really would be suicide if placed ahead of other priorities. But then again the only justifiable reason for existence that anyone from France has given to WDC to keep this resort open is that its a jobs program for the Paris metro area. So maybe?

On #3: OLC: not interested in MM+ or in anything else Disney is doing, really. They ordered the least expensive attractions WDI could possibly build for 2014 and 2015 for a reason folks.

 

[ScoutN]

There's a surprise. Haunted Mansion had legacy Fastpass retro fitted to it. It screwed up the wait times and attraction efficiency so much it was deemed a failure and removed in 2005.

And now they've added it again along with countless other attractions that neither need it nor can handle it.

That is not even the best part! Just hold on for a couple more seconds. WHILE in standby my group was right before the left turn into the graveyard, the CM opened the gate to building entry, flooded it with 30/35+ people from standby, ignored the FP+ line that was insanely long, basically allowed us to CUT everyone in the graveyard at that time.

That one still has me a bit baffled.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

FP+ is doing nothing differently than the current FP... other than allowing people to take action before they get into the parks so they don't have to waste time there looking for box fastpass paper ticket machines

So as an expert I take it you can confirm and reassure me that I will be able to get multiple fats passes for all the major attractions on the same day at the same park. Because Im reading conflicting information. And like you I want to have a suer amazing time.

 

[marni1971]

Wow. Just wow.

 

[WDWDad13]

I'm sure you've been around long enough....

And again, how is that a endorsement for NGE? And as Martin has said, since they did implement it, other projects are being impacted (on both coasts).

I don't understand what you are asking.

Do I like NGE? Yes I do... after experiencing it first hand.

Do I think they are going to MAKE money from it? No, but it's a new way of experiencing theme parks people do like (contrary to belief on here)

Do I think projects are being impacted on both coasts because of the cost of NGE? Of course it is... but that doesn't mean if we didn't have NGE we'd have all these new shiny lands, rides, etc. at WDW in Florida. Florida always seems like the last place to get anything new anyways

 

[Recon443]

Let me ask, before I read any more of your prattle, is the whole "speaking for everyone" thing going to be a standard in your responses, because I never claimed such a thing. I sense it's a useful straw man for you, so I'd just line to clear that up before we go any further....

Well you did indeed claim such. You could have written, "Makes sense to me." and that would have indicated you were only speaking for yourself. But you wrote, "Makes perfect sense to the rest of us..." thus indicating that you know that the 'rest' agree with you.

 

[doctornick]

There was no seeming to it. They were quite a bit longer. Much longer. Comically longer.

If Buzz had virtually no line on Standby (which certainly happens) and FP+ got backuped by people taking a while to scan their bands, I could see how it might be marginally longer to get on via FP+. But either line would be rather quick, so that's more in the realm of "FP+ being unnecessary" than "FP+ being a detrement". I mean, maybe you wait 8 min for FP+ when you could have gotten on in 4 minutes with standby. BFD.

I don't see how that would be possible for BTM though. Even if scanning takes a while at the initial FP+ reader, you can jsut zip through the rest of the FP queue rather quickly and will get in front of a bunch of people in the standby line. When I was there in early December -- admittedly, a less busy time of the year, we used FP for BTM a few times and it always got us on quickly and we bypassed a lot of people waiting in standby.

 

[ScoutN]

If Buzz had virtually no line on Standby (which certainly happens) and FP+ got backuped by people taking a while to scan their bands, I could see how it might be marginally longer to get on via FP+. But either line would be rather quick, so that's more in the realm of "FP+ being unnecessary" than "FP+ being a detrement". I mean, maybe you wait 8 min for FP+ when you could have gotten on in 4 minutes with standby. BFD.

I don't see how that would be possible for BTM though. Even if scanning takes a while at the initial FP+ reader, you can jsut zip through the rest of the FP queue rather quickly and will get in front of a bunch of people in the standby line. When I was there in early December -- admittedly, a less busy time of the year, we used FP for BTM a few times and it always got us on quickly and we bypassed a lot of people waiting in standby.

Overbooking FP maybe? Sure seems plausible to make it more attractive to the good folks at home!

 

[wm49rs]

I don't understand what you are asking.

Do I like NGE? Yes I do... after experiencing it first hand.

Do I think they are going to MAKE money from it? No, but it's a new way of experiencing theme parks people do like (contrary to belief on here)

Do I think projects are being impacted on both coasts because of the cost of NGE? Of course it is... but that doesn't mean if we didn't have NGE we'd have all these new shiny lands, rides, etc. at WDW in Florida. Florida always seems like the last place to get anything new anyways

I wasn't asking a thing. Your belief that no matter what, NGE is the best investment for WDW, no matter what, tells me enough....

 

[pax_65]

Just like the fantastic combo of The Dining Plan / ADR system. If you don't participate, your experience is exponentially worse than before those programs existed.

This is exactly right. Disney's whole premise is that encouraging people to plan their vacations months in advance leads to more time and $$$ spent in the parks. I don't plan months in advance. It's just my personal preference - I prefer to allow some spontaneity on vacation, to go to bed and say, "What do you feel like doing tomorrow?" - or even wake up that morning and do what we feel like doing. After all, it's a vacation!

As a result, since the Dining Plan has forced people to make ADRs months in advance, my dining on Disney property has gone WAY down. I can't get a reservation same day or a day or two in advance like I used to. So where I used to eat a sit-down meal on property 4-5 times during a 10-day trip, now I usually eat just 1-2. The rest of the time is counter service (if we're in a park) or a nice dinner off-property (if we really want a good meal). I do miss eating at Le Cellier and Tony's, so you can definitely say that my experience is now worse than it used to be. I accept that, it's my choice. But that's still the reality of the situation. Disney is certainly losing some revenue from me, but they seem to be making up for it from other people.

I fear MM+ may have a similar result. Will I ride Soarin' and TSMM more or less than before? I'm thinking probably a bit less, since I was unable to get same-day FPs for these attractions. We were able to get them for later in the week (and hit the standby line at park opening), so it worked ok for us... but still...

Interestingly, during a pretty busy time around Thanksgiving, Soarin' and TSMM were the only attractions where we had difficulty getting same or next-day FPs. Maybe this will get worse as the system rolls out, but I think it's more a symptom that there aren't enough hot attractions that are really in demand. Every time I see the FP queue for the teacups I chuckle.

 

[WDWDad13]

I wasn't asking a thing. Your belief that no matter what, NGE is the best investment for WDW, no matter what, tells me enough....

that's certainly not what I am saying... if most of you wouldn't be so closed minded and actually opened your eyes every once in awhile you might see actually some positive things from all of this.... but there's not enough magic in the fairy godmother's wand for that to happen.... so while some will continue to be negative and bash online, others will be in the parks having fun. I'm ok with that

 

[wm49rs]

Well you did indeed claim such. You could have written, "Makes sense to me." and that would have indicated you were only speaking for yourself. But you wrote, "Makes perfect sense to the rest of us..." thus indicating that you know that the 'rest' agree with you.

Actually, the phrase "makes sense to the rest of us" referred to your continuing presence here even though you apparently find little written here of any redeeming quality. But you keep on being you....

 

[doctornick]

Overbooking FP maybe? Sure seems plausible to make it more attractive to the good folks at home!

I still don't see how that is possible on BTM. What kind of wait times are you talking about for FP+ versus standby? If both lines have sizeable people in them, then FP should be given a priority to pass the merge site (typically, it follows a 4 FP to 1 standby person ratio). Where exactly is the holdup for those in the FP+ line? I just can't picture it.

 

[marni1971]

Wow. Just wow. Again.

 

[wm49rs]

that's certainly not what I am saying... if most of you wouldn't be so closed minded and actually opened your eyes every once in awhile you might see actually some positive things from all of this.... but there's not enough magic in the fairy godmother's wand for that to happen

With FP+ and the MagicBands?

 

[ScoutN]

I still don't see how that is possible on BTM. What kind of wait times are you talking about for FP+ versus standby? If both lines have sizeable people in them, then FP should be given a priority to pass the merge site (typically, it follows a 4 FP to 1 standby person ratio). Where exactly is the holdup for those in the FP+ line? I just can't picture it.

SO you explained it yourself. If FP was overbooked in a time-slot then the 4:1 would not be sufficient and could certainly create a backup in it, correct? I do not know the inner-workings or details of how each day's allotment are assigned (nor do I really care to) but there is most certainly some large bugs in the way the new program functions.

 

[englanddg]

So as an expert I take it you can confirm and reassure me that I will be able to get multiple fats passes for all the major attractions on the same day at the same park. Because Im reading conflicting information. And like you I want to have a suer amazing time.

I want a fats pass!

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I don't understand what you are asking.

Do I like NGE? Yes I do... after experiencing it first hand.

Do I think they are going to MAKE money from it? No, but it's a new way of experiencing theme parks people do like (contrary to belief on here)

Do I think projects are being impacted on both coasts because of the cost of NGE? Of course it is... but that doesn't mean if we didn't have NGE we'd have all these new shiny lands, rides, etc. at WDW in Florida. Florida always seems like the last place to get anything new anyways

Shocking! Considering that you were a unwavering supporter prior to your visit.

The last part of your post is just biased conjecture to further support your assumptions.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I want a fats pass!

Only members of the Grande Pubah Lodge get them