MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

[WDWDad13]

After using the system with NO... I repeat NO issues whatsoever for 2 weeks for 5 of us (using magic bands for AP tickets, standalone tickets, Christmas party tickets, fastpass+, room keys, credit card charges, and photopass)....not seeing any change in standby lines...and again... having NO issues at all... I fail to see why everyone is so against this.

Complain all you want... it's not going to change anything... like it or not, this is the future of the Disney theme parks... you can embrace and use it, or not and allow others to and enjoy their experience

 

[marni1971]

So what's the problem then? They don't have to book a FP+ in advance anymore than they have to get a paper fastpass onsite. People will still go and enjoy the parks... they just have more options now.

The problem is day to day, spur of the day if not the moment choices of riding the headline attractions with minimal wait is severely limited if not removed.

We know you love FP+. You've said it over and over. And quite the contrary. For most guests they have no option now but to wait in standby.

 

[WDWDad13]

NGE has directly impacted parks and resorts budget. Ask anyone who really knows.

AGAIN... we don't know if a single dollar for NGE would have been used on a new attraction for WDW...regardless of who on here thinks they "really" know

 

[doctornick]

Yes, they have a choice. DL may implement FP+, but they don't have the hotel space to make the bands a necessity. Again, DLP probably can't afford to buy into the program, OLC doesn't have to, and neither do the Chinese parks.

1. If Rasulo and Staggs tel DLR (or DLP etc.) that they are getting MM+/MBs/FP+/whatever, then they are getting them. Colglazier can't just say "no, we don't want it". Same goes with the cruise ships.

2. DLP's financial woes are a good reason why they would get MM+ -- if it can be monitized to even some degree and added with not too excessive costs to that resort, it would make some sense.

3. I actually think OLC and TDL might be interested in MM+ et al once the kinks are worked out. The pre-planning aspect would seem to fit into the culture of Japan well (keep in mind that tickets for TDL parks are only good for specific dates so there's already some pre-planning involved there).

I don't see DLR requiring everyone to get MBs to enter the parks, but I fully expect that they will show up at there at least for resort guests at some time. As has already been shown at WDW, you don't need to have everyone have MBs (or RFID cards) to make things work, but you can use them for some people.

 

[WDWDad13]

The problem is day to day, spur of the day if not the moment choices of riding the headline attractions with minimal wait is severely limited if not removed.

We know you love FP+. You've said it over and over.

FP+ is doing nothing differently than the current FP... other than allowing people to take action before they get into the parks so they don't have to waste time there looking for box fastpass paper ticket machines

 

[marni1971]

AGAIN... we don't know if a single dollar for NGE would have been used on a new attraction for WDW...regardless of who on here thinks they "really" know

Hang around here longer. You'll understand who knows what. With respect.

 

[wm49rs]

AGAIN... we don't know if a single dollar for NGE would have been used on a new attraction for WDW...regardless of who on here thinks they "really" know

And again, not an endorsement for NGE.....

I'll take what Martin knows, as he does "really" know, regardless of what others want to hear.

But I'm sure we just all wannabe at Disney.....

 

[Recon443]

Actually, it clearly can't, for the reasons I gave. Save of course for your own speculative rationale....

Makes perfect sense to the rest of us, unsurprising as it is.....

Well let's take a look at those reasons shall we?

" . . .the location of the gates at DL would make it difficult to fully monitor everyone entering wearing bands."

Difficult does not equal impossible. So the system can be exported to DLR.

"DLP is still well in the hole financially"
Well that doesn't indicate it can't be done, it simply indicates that it will add to the parks debt.

"TDR doesn't need to enhance the guest experience"

According to who?

"and the Chinese parks had one that just expanded"

And how does that impact whether or not the system can or cannot be implemented?

" . . .and another still being built, albeit in some of the most unhealthy smog on the planet."
Yes a new park cannot possibly implement a new system. (Insert heavy eye roll here.) I did hear the smog will cause the MB/FP+ system to fail.......not.

Makes perfect sense to the rest of us? Are you now speaking for everybody?

 

[ABQ]

The only thing in your list that didn't exist before MBs were the first and last items you mentioned.

If you stayed on-property, the Key To The Wold card contained your park tickets, credit/purchase abilities (tied to your credit card), room key(s), offered the ability to use fastpass, just not advanced reservation of them. Prior to the implementation of MB, we only carried our KTTW cards with us to the parks. And, like I mentioned, the advanced reservation feature for Fastpass and parade/firework locations could have technically been implemented using the KTTW cards.

For the record, I'm not anti-MB or MM+, I just don't see a huge advantage for the AVERAGE guest in using them.

With regards to the KTTW card, if you were an annual pass holder as I am, the KTTW card was not used to enter the park or get traditional paper fast passes. In fact, the AP itself was a flimsy little piece of paper.

 

[WDWDad13]

Hang around here longer. You'll understand who knows what.

I have a feeling 90% of those who are bashing all of this "new" technology on here hasn't even used it...and just like to make up all these negative affects of it without seeing any of the positives

 

[WDWDad13]

With regards to the KTTW card, if you were an annual pass holder as I am, the KTTW card was not used to enter the park or get traditional paper fast passes. In fact, the AP itself was a flimsy little piece of paper.

exactly... and I HATED carrying that flimsy thing around... especially when it could get wet and damaged so easily too


I used magic bands on my trip these past 2 weeks for:
- AP tickets (for 3 of us)
- standalone tickets (for 2 in our party)
- MVMCP tickets
- Room key
- Photopass+
- Fastpass+
- and charging

worked perfectly for all of us the entire stay

 

[wm49rs]

Well let's take a look at those reasons shall we?

" . . .the location of the gates at DL would make it difficult to fully monitor everyone entering wearing bands."

Difficult does not equal impossible. So the system can be exported to DLR.

"DLP is still well in the hole financially"
Well that doesn't indicate it can't be done, it simply indicates that it will add to the parks debt.

"TDR doesn't need to enhance the guest experience"

According to who?

"and the Chinese parks had one that just expanded"

And how does that impact whether or no the system can or cannot be implemented?

" . . .and another still being built, albeit in some of the most unhealthy smog on the planet."
Yes a new park cannot possibly implement a new system. (Insert heavy eye roll here.) I did hear the smof will cause the MB/FP+ system to fail.......not.

Makes perfect sense to the rest of us? Are you now speaking for everybody?

Let me ask, before I read any more of your prattle, is the whole "speaking for everyone" thing going to be a standard in your responses, because I never claimed such a thing. I sense it's a useful straw man for you, so I'd just line to clear that up before we go any further....

 

[marni1971]

But I'm sure we just all wannabe at Disney.....

I see what you did there.

 

[ScoutN]

And again, not an endorsement for NGE.....

I'll take what Martin knows, as he does "really" know, regardless of what others want to hear.

But I'm sure we just all wannabe at Disney.....

Here is a fun fact. After USING the system last week, I found that several standby lines were significantly quicker to get on some headliner and supporting attractions that FPWhateverthenewoneiscalled. Buzz and Thunder were hands down the worst at over double the length of standby. Haunted Mansion, Jingle, Safari, and Peter Pan were right there too. It was rather comical to see the prebooked crowd thinking it would be a quick deal wait nearly twice what I did when I chose to ride spur of the moment.

 

[WDWDad13]

And again, not an endorsement for NGE.....

I'll take what Martin knows, as he does "really" know, regardless of what others want to hear.

But I'm sure we just all wannabe at Disney.....

no one said Martin doesn't know things... I know he does... been around long enough to see that... and I respect him.... what NONE OF US know if is any single dollar spent for NGE would have been used for a NEW attraction a WDW in Florida. Based on all the new things being build prior to NGE in WDW, I doubt it (and it saddens me to say that)

 

[wm49rs]

1. If Rasulo and Staggs tel DLR (or DLP etc.) that they are getting MM+/MBs/FP+/whatever, then they are getting them. Colglazier can't just say "no, we don't want it". Same goes with the cruise ships.

I never said they wouldn't, as I said FP+ could be utilized, but again the bands are essentially unnecessary. And they don't need to worry about enhancing the guest experience considering what they've built recently.

2. DLP's financial woes are a good reason why they would get MM+ -- if it can be monitized to even some degree and added with not too excessive costs to that resort, it would make some sense.

I can't see them throwing such a program out there when it's not needed, not with the financial hole the park is in. And again, lack of hotel space and they're already spending to add to the parks attractions.

3. I actually think OLC and TDL might be interested in MM+ et al once the kinks are worked out. The pre-planning aspect would seem to fit into the culture of Japan well (keep in mind that tickets for TDL parks are only good for specific dates so there's already some pre-planning involved there).

OLC might be, but they don't need it.

I don't see DLR requiring everyone to get MBs to enter the parks, but I fully expect that they will show up at there at least for resort guests at some time. As has already been shown at WDW, you don't need to have everyone have MBs (or RFID cards) to make things work, but you can use them for some people.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

But I'm sure we just all wannabe at Disney.....

Actually, no. No, I don't. Haven't wanted-ta-be at Disney for a couple years now. I espeeeecially don't want to deal with all this MM+ stuff. Solid deterrant here.

 

[WDWDad13]

Here is a fun fact. After USING the system last week, I found that several standby lines were significantly quicker to get on some headliner and supporting attractions that FPWhateverthenewoneiscalled. Buzz and Thunder were hands down the worst at over double the length of standby. Haunted Mansion, Jingle, Safari, and Peter Pan were right there too. It was rather comical to see the prebooked crowd thinking it would be a quick deal wait nearly twice what I did when I chose to ride spur of the moment.

I was there the past 2 weeks and honestly I didn't see anything like this that seemed out of the ordinary from my previous visits around this time of the year. Even the previous old FP system had a minimal wait time (not just a walk in) usually anyways

I think part of the problem now is we still have the older FP system AND the new FP system in place which is making FP lines seems longer (some are even taking advantage and using both)

 

[marni1971]

...double the length of standby. Haunted Mansion...

There's a surprise. Haunted Mansion had legacy Fastpass retro fitted to it. It screwed up the wait times and attraction efficiency so much it was deemed a failure and removed in 2005.

And now they've added it again along with countless other attractions that neither need it nor can handle it.

 

[ScoutN]

I was there the past 2 weeks and honestly I didn't see anything like this that seemed out of the ordinary from my previous visits around this time of the year. Even the previous old FP system had a minimal wait time (not just a walk in) usually anyways

I think part of the problem now is we still have the older FP system AND the new FP system in place which is making FP lines seems longer (some are even taking advantage and using both)

There was no seeming to it. They were quite a bit longer. Much longer. Comically longer.