MK to get SIX new FP attractions? UGH?!?!

[flynnibus]

NextGen is about elevating the baseline possibilities within the park - and doing something that can't be easily duplicated/copied by their competition.

It's like investing in computer aided design and automation while your competition is still stuck with slide rules. It's purpose is to advance theme park technology... hence 'next generation'.

FP+ itself seems like a huge reach in that it steers how people will experience the parks way too much IMO. But time will tell. Personally I'm not too wound up about FP+.. because I think it looks to be bad enough that it won't stand and will be altered. I don't really see much here that isn't adaptable or removable by the company.. so if it raises a stink, Disney should be able to adapt.

Its not like building a 200million dollar attraction or park they will have to leave in place for a decade before they can feel comfortable to rip out. With so much of it being software and policy.. they should really only be limited by costs of time and how to phase in change after people are already in the system..

 

[Cosmic Commando]

If you have to plan all your rides and attractions at certain times, plan your eating at certain times, and reserve your seats for nighttime shows and fireworks, why have a park hopper option?

Because the new $129.95 park hopper will let you use X-Pass in more than one park in a day. (complete speculation, but now sounds like evil genius)

 

[steamboat wil]

Because the new $129.95 park hopper will let you use X-Pass in more than one park in a day. (complete speculation, but now sounds like evil genius)

Didn't think of that scenario either. Now that would be a busy day.

 

[WDW1974]

As you know, many people on here don't like to wait to see any finished product or attraction ever. It's fun to speculate and discuss, but I'm amazed at how many people pass judgement on things in their 'infancy'. Same issue with 7DMT, and many other WDW attractions. I'm with you...I like to judge what actually exits. Patience.

When you have seen the schematics of an attraction, talked to Imagineers, seen the site it is being built on etc ... it is very fair to judge it. ... When you've seen what a mess FP has been when placed on attractions that need it (let alone those that don't), it's safe to make a judgment.

I have a friend I am worried about because of something they are doing that I feel is very deeply destructive. I don't need to wait until they find a body for me to make my voice heard.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have a friend I am worried about because of something they are doing that I feel is very deeply destructive. I don't need to wait until they find a body for me to make my voice heard.

Nor do you simply discard him for doing something which you recognize as a negative.

 

[WDW1974]

Nor do you simply discard him for doing something which you recognize as a negative.

Exactly. And I would never discard someone I care deeply about. Just like I won't stop visiting WDW just because the place isn't what it once was. I am always confused by that 'logic'.

 

[flynnibus]

Exactly. And I would never discard someone I care deeply about. Just like I won't stop visiting WDW just because the place isn't what it once was. I am always confused by that 'logic'.

It's simple to explain to people (they just don't hear..). The difference between something you have no attachment too.. vs something you care for/about. You don't have any attachment and you don't like it? You leave it. Something you care about.. you invest to change/save/protect/whatever.

That's what it boils down to - something you deeply are attached to or not. If you no longer have any attachment, you'll leave on your own.

 

[COProgressFan]

It's called groupthink and steamrolling. A VP has a pet project and even if they have a dozen directors and managers telling them its a bad idea, they're all going to go along with it or risk losing their jobs. This is why I'd like to believe if you can correct the problem with leadership at the top the ship can correct itself rather quickly.

I think this true as well. With the right leadership, many issues at WDW could be resolved (not all) because from what I can see most CMs, managers, and even make higher-ups want to do the right thing (offer a good product, provide good service) but the system as it is right now significantly limits their ability to do so. Those limitations come directly from the top in terms of budgeting, spending, long-term planning, and having reasonable profit expectations.

 

[COProgressFan]

When DLR gets a billion dollar investment they get a state of the art attraction, a new land of d attractions, TLM ride, new theming, state of the art water shows, trolley's, just for added ambiance... WDW gets a billion dollar investent that tracks and monitors you through your entire stay on property, creating a database to try and personalize their attempts to peddle over-priced merch to you and give added FP at attractions that don't need it.

Phhffff. And people say TDO is out of touch. Eat that DLR, and your new rides! We have electronic profiles that monitor our every movement and try to sell us stuff better! Ha!

It's amazing how different the mindsets of the powers that be at WDW vs. DL.

Incredible, really.

 

[disneyeater]

If you have to plan all your rides and attractions at certain times, plan your eating at certain times, and reserve your seats for nighttime shows and fireworks, why have a park hopper option? It seems that this will make guests map out their vacation to do one park on one day. I am on the dining plan and we already have minor problems hopping because of reservations. This doesn't make sense to me as I think guests will overcrowd the parks more not being able to hop or have time to go back and nap. It sounds like a checklist of each day for each park that will be on a strict schedule ( because fast pass times are inforced now). I follow time constraints every day at work that are stressful. I'm not sure I wanna spend time on vacation doing that too. Don't get me wrong I map out my day at the parks. Just not to the extent of be at SM at 930, be at HM at 1030, and so on. Not sure if this makes sense but it does to me. Maybe after this trip it's time to take my talents to DLR where you get new rides, unique merch, and non-commando style touring.

I see this the complete opposite way. To me, the advantage of a program like this would be if I am able to book a FP on Soarin' at 3pm and hit MK in the morning, then hop to Epcot later and not have to worry about all the FP being gone.

 

[MickeyPeace]

I was under the impression that you'd only be able to reserve a certain amount of FP's ahead of time.

Let's say 4...

They obviously wouldn't let you get FP for the three mountains because it wouldn't spread people out...so they'd set it up like this.

Group 1:
Splash Mountain
Space Mountain
Big Thunder Mountain

Group 2:
Jungle Cruise
Haunted Mansion
Pirates of the Caribbean

Group 3:
Dumbo
Magic Carpets of Aladdin
Astro Orbiter
Mickey's Philharmagic
Mad Tea Party

Group 4:
Peter Pan's Flight
Ariel's Undersea Adventure
It's a Small World
Winnie the Pooh

You get to pick 1 from each group...that way you spread the people out and keep the lines at the major attractions at bay.

Thanks for understanding my concept and mapping it out. This is exactly what I was saying.

 

[ParentsOf4]

I see this the complete opposite way. To me, the advantage of a program like this would be if I am able to book a FP on Soarin' at 3pm and hit MK in the morning, then hop to Epcot later and not have to worry about all the FP being gone.

Yes but the FP you booked for Soarin' weeks (for example) before your trip is a FP than someone who arrived at Epcot hours before you didn't get. I'm not suggesting one is right or wrong, only pointing out that Next Gen doesn't increase attraction capacity, it only changes how the wait time is distributed. For the $1 billion spent on Next Gen, everyone would have been better served if Disney did something to actually increase capacity.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm hoping against hope that Disney uses Next Gen to do just that: distribute FPs for attractions that don't really need them with the intention of more evenly distributing crowds. Who knows, if enough inexperienced WDW vacationers start getting FPs for attractions that don't need them, FPs for those attractions might actually become necessary. Hopefully this might alleviate crowds at the more popular attractions.

They've already proven this doesn't work as well as they'd like. They distribute Surprise Fastpasses all the time to help spread out the crowds. I view this part of the plan as incredibly short sighted.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I was under the impression that you'd only be able to reserve a certain amount of FP's ahead of time.

Let's say 4...

They obviously wouldn't let you get FP for the three mountains because it wouldn't spread people out...so they'd set it up like this.

Group 1:
Splash Mountain
Space Mountain
Big Thunder Mountain

Group 2:
Jungle Cruise
Haunted Mansion
Pirates of the Caribbean

Group 3:
Dumbo
Magic Carpets of Aladdin
Astro Orbiter
Mickey's Philharmagic
Mad Tea Party

Group 4:
Peter Pan's Flight
Ariel's Undersea Adventure
It's a Small World
Winnie the Pooh

You get to pick 1 from each group...that way you spread the people out and keep the lines at the major attractions at bay.

This is how I understand it as well. I wouldn't necessarily expect 4 different groups, although I wouldn't be surprised. If MK guests get 3 or 4 Fastpass+ reservations there may be 3 groups where you can select 1 from each group and one extra one. For the other parks if you can get 2 or 3 Fastpass+ reservations, there may be 2 groups where you can select 1 from each group and one extra one.

This is similar to how the Give a Day Get a Day Fastpass cards worked.

 

[RSoxNo1]

And I do respect the blogger who did the work and put it online and felt it was newsworthy. I'll stay here.

You can't be talking about me...

 

[devoy1701]

Billy Scott, his initials are what this is to me. Don't know when this crap is gonna be implemented, but I think it's clear now that WDW wants to replace us with newer fans who are completely oblivious to the way things should be. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Hopefully when and if I go back in the near future I can get some free tickets from some CP friends, otherwise I don't see it being worth it. Disneyland sounds nice though.

Good thing Robert Olzsewski has made it possible for us to reproduce a miniature version of the MK in our own homes. Between his theme park replicas that I've purchased and my nostalgic posters/attractions/tickets/theme park merchandise collection, maybe I can start offering guided tours of my house of "the Magic Kingdom that once was" that would have a good chance or rivaling the theme park experience that Disney will soon be offering.

 

[kashmir]

That's exactly what it's about. Ma and Pa from Nebraska who don't visit the boards will just go ahead and start reserving as many fastpasses as they can, along with purchasing the deluxe dining plan because Disney tells them it's the "best value" while they arrange to stay at an on property room paying the rack rate.

That's the type of guest Disney wants. Not savvy locals or AP holders.

Not Nebraska - we visit the boards, and you offend us with your assumptions!

 

[TP2000]

Haunted Mansion had fastpass at one point and it was removed because it wasn't necessary. Why on Earth would they think it's needed now? The ride isn't any more popular now than when they removed it.

But they installed that interactive queue this past spring, so now it needs Fastpass again!

I simply can't wait for them to try and bring this XPass thing to Disneyland. The Disneyland locals know exactly how to tour both Disneyland and DCA, and XPass will infuriate them. But because SoCal locals are fairly savvy about Disneyland and DCA, they will be able to identify the weaknesses in XPass and NextGen and tear the thing apart.

 

[Californian Elitist]

But they installed that interactive queue this past spring, so now it needs Fastpass again!

I simply can't wait for them to try and bring this XPass thing to Disneyland. The Disneyland locals know exactly how to tour both Disneyland and DCA, and XPass will infuriate them. But because SoCal locals are fairly savvy about Disneyland and DCA, they will be able to identify the weaknesses in XPass and NextGen and tear the thing apart.

I hope these "offerings" never come to the Disneyland Resort. Doubt it will though. I'd like to see them try, like you said, we'd destroy it. Off with their heads.

 

[Gabe1]

OK, what happens when Space and Splash both go down?