Most C-E tickets. Sadly.
Very simply: it reduces the number of available FPs for non-FP+ users. In addition, Disney is adding FPs to attractions that don't currently use/need them, which will now increase the standby wait time at those attractions (assuming the availability of FP at those attractions will increase the demand for the attraction...the strict adherence to the return times, in theory, should keep the standby the same...but with FP now available, people will start reserving FPs for those attractions, making demand higher than it was without FP and thereby increasing the wait time).
And that's how it will negatively impact non-FP+ users. Take TSMM for example. As it is, those FPs are gone no later than 11:00am. With FP+, they will run out significantly sooner, so a large number of guests will not be able to obtain a FP because they didn't participate in FP+.
Yes, and I would feel very sorry for people who have to plan every second of their life, if it weren't negatively impacting me.
This is where you are wrong. They may not be 'forced" to participate, but they will be left with very little choice if standby wait times are significantly long and regular FP availabilty disappears relatively early in the day. Now, because you need to plan every second of your life, I have very little choice but to either participate myself and do that absurd level of planning, or wait in long lines. Just read the boards about how many members woun't ride certain attractions if they can't get a FP for it. It will definitely affect non-FP+ users.
And some people are just sheep and accept everything at face value, hidden costs be damned!
The Imagineers do not just do as they desire and in many cases are hired by the local park/resort to deal with a specific issue/need.
That requires letting people know something is new, and that is not happening with these queues because it would be counter productive to their intentions.
No, they are not.
One's participation does not change the reasoning for existing.
As marni stated, many attractions are set to get these queues. The Haunted Mansion already has one and Pirates of the Caribbean is getting one. The use of FastPass was tried on each on each coast and deemed to be such a failure all four attractions, excepting Haunted Mansion Holiday, now no longer offer FastPass. If FastPass was already a boondoggle for these attractions, how is putting them on FastPlus Plus better? Especially since the queues will now be moving slow enough to enable the use of interactive elements?
So when I am behind a group who is immersed in the interactive portions of the queue that I have no interest in, can I them just pass them and move forward in the queue? That's what I did in Pooh when kids were playing and parents were yelling at them to stop because the line had moved up a lot. There was a big empty space so I filled it.
If that's the case, bring on all the interective queues in whatever attractions you want...I'll just keep zipping on by while you choose to stop and play.
The issue is that it ends any level of spontaneity. This decline started with the enforcement of return times, and before that with the dining plan now forcing reservations at most sit down places.
i've been lied to all these years
Let's set the benchmark at 30 minutes for whether or not an attraction needs a Fastpass. You can argue that on any given day the following attractions will always need Fastpass:i thought there were Fast Passes for Haunted Mansion...
anyway, i don't really see a problem with making Fast Passes if they're needed... some of those lines can get REALLY long. now i don't agree with the next gen FP, but i prefer having FP stations for those rides. well except Small World but that's just me.
I do not think anybody likes waiting in line. What I dislike about FastPass, FastPass Plus and the outfall of the Disney Dining Plan, I that when I am on vacation I do not want to follow a schedule. My day-to-day life is scheduled enough, why should I be expected to want more On my vacation? Because its the only way I can maximize te Magic? I think instead of trying to cram in as much as possible and want more tools to be able to do this, people should ask why they feel the need to schedule out everything at Walt Disney World. I would think if the value was truly there, there would be less desire to milk as much as possible from a vacation.I think as long as these are all "options" - 1) I can wait on line 2) I can get a Fastpass at the ride 3) I can get Fastpass in advance, I dont see what the big problem is. Sure there would be less Fastpasses to get the day of - but maybe I'm silly - but I think part of the fun is running to try to get them!
That's the real issue though. FP+ reduces the number of regular FPs. That means the regular FPs will "sell out" much quicker. On slow days it won't matter in the slightest. But on crowded days, what happens if you are pretty much forced to either plan your trip by the second, or else wait in long lines?Thanks, RSoxNo1!... great link, now I understand it all
I think as long as these are all "options" - 1) I can wait on line 2) I can get a Fastpass at the ride 3) I can get Fastpass in advance, I dont see what the big problem is. Sure there would be less Fastpasses to get the day of - but maybe I'm silly - but I think part of the fun is running to try to get them!
Now if getting them in advance is the ONLY option, that would really suck. I dont want to plan my attractions in advance, even by a week.
That was a complaint of mine that was dismissed by quite a few people on the board. The fact that it occurs even now with regular FPs was used to counter my concern. The difference to me, though, is that people who currently obtain FPs and miss their return window is less than those who will miss their FP+ window or simply not use it. Because of the inability to be spontaneous, people will reserve their times, but by the time they show up to the park, they may have forgotten about it, or they simply decided to visit a different park that day, or they decided to have lunch instead, etc. It's much easier to forget about something when you don't have it physically in your possession.
How about shop, which might be part of Disney's strategy.
Nope. We don't go on vacation to sit around. We are a high-energy family and like to keep moving!
