FrankLapidus
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Who knows where it will go, if it even happens. Personally, I don't see Universal giving up the Marvel rights anytime soon but we'll just have to wait and see.
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Middle Earth theme park at Universal
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Who knows where it will go, if it even happens. Personally, I don't see Universal giving up the Marvel rights anytime soon but we'll just have to wait and see.
HenryMystic
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The Marvel contract never ends. :wave:
Soarin' Over Pgh
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I agree with you... if they have that card over Disney's head, they'll continue to play it. It's stopping Disney from (potentially) adding Marvel to their Orlando parks.
Soarin' Over Pgh
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Who am I kidding, they won't add anything to any FL park besides computer chips.
SirLink
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Well seen as it isn't Al Lutz it is Eric Davies ... I wouldn't but it as a done deal ... at all ... will it happen in the future most definitely ... talks will take place around the launch of the 3rd Hobbit film is released.
Thrill Seeker
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I greatly disagree with this. LOTR is arguably the greatest fantasy trilogy of all time. I like Harry Potter and Star Wars, but LOTR is so much deeper as both a story and a world. Also, LOTR has been huge for many decades longer than Potter or Star Wars.
If this is true and they do the property justice, Universal could create something far better than Potter...
phi2134
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Best case scenario is that it is another chance at a wake up call for Disney...worst case scenario is that they play wait and see with what comes out of it and they don't act until after the land is finished and they see how impressive it is..which could be many many years away especially with the time frame for the release of all three films...and then they throw another dud at us in the end.
My one thought on this though is that a LotR land would be extremely impressive, but only on the scale of a prettiness and wow factory of the land and characters. When I think LotR and the type of thrill rides that Universal puts out, I am having a hard time imagining high tech rides that would fit well with the LotR experience. Possible a dragon ride (but they already have dueling dragons), A flying eagle ride, spidey/transformers ride that is taking you to destroy the ring,...I think potter and other high tech themes fit very well with what rides can be done, but LotR is extremely medieval when it comes to technology and even only a few characters have magic abilities.
If they did the shire, minas tirith and possible somewhere like Rohan (maybe replace it with Mordor) and focused on adding a few attractions and just really really focused on the overall look and feel of the places, i think it could turn out spectacularly. But I would go see this just to experience being in the lands and not so much the rides.
My one thought on this though is that a LotR land would be extremely impressive, but only on the scale of a prettiness and wow factory of the land and characters. When I think LotR and the type of thrill rides that Universal puts out, I am having a hard time imagining high tech rides that would fit well with the LotR experience. Possible a dragon ride (but they already have dueling dragons), A flying eagle ride, spidey/transformers ride that is taking you to destroy the ring,...I think potter and other high tech themes fit very well with what rides can be done, but LotR is extremely medieval when it comes to technology and even only a few characters have magic abilities.
If they did the shire, minas tirith and possible somewhere like Rohan (maybe replace it with Mordor) and focused on adding a few attractions and just really really focused on the overall look and feel of the places, i think it could turn out spectacularly. But I would go see this just to experience being in the lands and not so much the rides.
invader
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0 multiplied by 1000 is still 0.
articos
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Expansion plans, yes. This rumor, no.
The majority of theme park designers, and staffing in general - from assistants to show producers - at both U and WDI are freelance/contract these days. The cream of the crop is wherever the work is at this moment.
WDW1974
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No. Not at all. @KevinYee is mistaken. This is a fanboi created rumour with basically no real world basis beyond the fact some creatives would enjoy working on a theme park world based on the IP. I don't know who snookered Kevin or why (and to be fair, a few of my peeps had heard this, but when I looked deeper, it was obvious a fanboi -- either film-based or UNI -- rumour ... it's happening as much as Star Wars Land is happening).
But UNI DOES have HUGE plans for the future. Just again, NOT LoTR. Let's kill this before it spreads any further.
WDW1974
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Crap, can we get this stuff automatically answered/deleted?
The Marvel contract exists in perpetuity ... that means forever in layman's terms. That means IOA will have Marvel in 2018 and 2029 and 2045 and 2087 if they exist and the world exists etc. Disney is not getting those rights back ... much like the 700 Club and all it's religious hatred get spewed on ABC Family because the contracts are explicit. Can we move on ... fifth gates anyone?
PhotoDave219
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Just a caviet here.... The Weinsten Brothers negotiated and successfully won the rights to LOTR before Peter Jackson made the films. Eisner wouldnt back it. (Source = "Disneywar")
lunchbox1175
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How will Disney respond? They won't, this is Universal's reaction to Avatarland, not them being inovative or getting one up on Disney, think about it, like phi2134 said, it would be a beautiful land with some interesting character interaction possibilities, but limited in what would be legitimate rides much like Avatarland is going to be. WDW is still experiencing phase closures with an additional 20 acres of land added to the MK, do you really think they are concerned about what Universal is doing. Universal's problem is they are always trying to out do Disney and look at it as a competition, Disney doesn't care what they do because they realize that if people are going to go vacation at Universal, there is a good chance that they will spend a day or two at WDW as well. Its the same philosophy as building a restaurant, which do you think would do better, a restaurant that is far away from everything, or one that is near other restaurants, its the later, because variety brings more business.
WDW1974
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I agree with you to a point ... that point would likely be where the Mermaid queue ends and the attraction begins!
WDW1974
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No. It isn't from Al Lutz.
It's from some character named Eric Davis (someone I have never heard of before). And it is NOT true. And there's an ongoing thread down on the UNI board (it really isn't that hard to go down there and check and chat) about this.
This is how bad rumours start taking on lives of their own. This is one.
wdwfan4ver
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There is a lot of questions where Lords would go before it impacts Disney. The problem is what Lord of the Rings replaces or it will be a true expansion. I am saying that because if Lord of the Rings is true expansion for Universal instead replacing an attraction, The Universal theme parks could be 3 days for the two Universal parks combine.
What I am sure about is Lord of the Rings will not help Universal get any of their two parks a head of Mk. Lord of the Rings would really close the gap between Epcot and Universal.
I am saying that because the fact is Epcot really doesn't have any changes for attractions planned right now since Test Track is done. The only things that is planned with Epcot is adding a table service restaurant and the talk of a possible 2nd food and fine festival. The last time I check, adding a restaurant isn't going to make more people going to a theme park. What marks people go to a theme park is attractions and special events.The only thing restaurants do for a theme park is keep them inside the theme park depending on how good the food is.
To me it looks like Erin Youngs, the VP of Epcot wants people to focus on the food, more than the attractions. Lets take a look at the current things for Epcot outside of Test Track. Universal of Energy needs help, but not as much as the entire Imagination Pavilion. Norway needs help plain and simple with the film and the ride. Space Ship Earth had a bad ending according to a good deal of people. Innoventions also isn't what it was in the 1990's either. That means Erin Youngs only cares about making more money from food than fixing the existing problems in Epcot. That is the recipe of how a Universal theme park can gain ground on Epcot since Disney and Erin Youngs only cares about making more money on food at Epcot.
I am guessing Lord of the Rings wouldn't affect DHS a lot compare to Harry Potter expansion 2.0 since Disney wants to get a ride of Backlot Tour and Lights, Motor, Action!. It seems like Disney wants 3 new attractions in that park.
Lord of the Rings would affect AK. I really don't want to guess if Avatar Land is dead or not. If Avatar Land isn't dead, I don't think new Attractions for AK is enough for AK having more attendance than Universal. What AK needs is more attractions considering how big AK is since AK is supposed to be part zoo, and part park.
What I am sure about is Lord of the Rings will not help Universal get any of their two parks a head of Mk. Lord of the Rings would really close the gap between Epcot and Universal.
I am saying that because the fact is Epcot really doesn't have any changes for attractions planned right now since Test Track is done. The only things that is planned with Epcot is adding a table service restaurant and the talk of a possible 2nd food and fine festival. The last time I check, adding a restaurant isn't going to make more people going to a theme park. What marks people go to a theme park is attractions and special events.The only thing restaurants do for a theme park is keep them inside the theme park depending on how good the food is.
To me it looks like Erin Youngs, the VP of Epcot wants people to focus on the food, more than the attractions. Lets take a look at the current things for Epcot outside of Test Track. Universal of Energy needs help, but not as much as the entire Imagination Pavilion. Norway needs help plain and simple with the film and the ride. Space Ship Earth had a bad ending according to a good deal of people. Innoventions also isn't what it was in the 1990's either. That means Erin Youngs only cares about making more money from food than fixing the existing problems in Epcot. That is the recipe of how a Universal theme park can gain ground on Epcot since Disney and Erin Youngs only cares about making more money on food at Epcot.
I am guessing Lord of the Rings wouldn't affect DHS a lot compare to Harry Potter expansion 2.0 since Disney wants to get a ride of Backlot Tour and Lights, Motor, Action!. It seems like Disney wants 3 new attractions in that park.
Lord of the Rings would affect AK. I really don't want to guess if Avatar Land is dead or not. If Avatar Land isn't dead, I don't think new Attractions for AK is enough for AK having more attendance than Universal. What AK needs is more attractions considering how big AK is since AK is supposed to be part zoo, and part park.
WDW1974
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I have an account there, but no time to be there and argue there ... and have no clue who this guy is ... I do know that the planned Studios makeover hasn't changed all that much from when it was first proposed.
There still is no LucasLand happening. There is no 'let's move part of the park across the street' taking part. There still is very little nailed down for certain, but most of it is what some of us have been telling people here for months now.
But 'Hate to Fly' is welcome to join here and spill what he/she knows.
NiarrNDisney
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Crap, can we get this stuff automatically answered/deleted?
The Marvel contract exists in perpetuity ... that means forever in layman's terms. That means IOA will have Marvel in 2018 and 2029 and 2045 and 2087 if they exist and the world exists etc. Disney is not getting those rights back ... much like the 700 Club and all it's religious hatred get spewed on ABC Family because the contracts are explicit. Can we move on ... fifth gates anyone?
Oh Thankyou both for schooling me! Next time I make a post I will contact you both so I can save myself the embarrassment of looking stupid and receiving another snarky answer.
I apologize for not having all the info I will read all information availible to me next time before opening my mouth again.