RSoxNo1
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Disney is very good at obstructing views and blocking lines of sight
Kind of like Fenway Park.
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Mickey's Toontown Fair begins its transformation February 2011
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Kind of like Fenway Park.
Tom
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:lol:
mharrington
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Disney is very good at obstructing views and blocking lines of sight
But how would they be able to block out the view of either Space Mountain or the TTA? I would think that those ones, height-wise, would be hard to obstruct and block out of Toontown. And TTA shows off the Speedway from the ride itself.
Tom
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Oh, I dunno. I was just sayin' is all
But seriously, maybe berms, trees, decorative fences. Sort of how they hid the view of 20K with the berm, trees and fence behind Pooh all those years.
cheezbat
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Oh, I dunno. I was just sayin' is all
But seriously, maybe berms, trees, decorative fences. Sort of how they hid the view of 20K with the berm, trees and fence behind Pooh all those years.
it's Disney...they could make it happen.
DisneyHeather
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Tom
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mharrington
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Well, then, where can it go?
mharrington
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I just had a brilliant idea! What if we put a new house for Mickey over near where The Great Goofini is going to go? That might help justify a bit of the Fab Six's presence in Fantasyland (Mickey and Goofy). We could possibly base that on the old Mickeyville concept, like so:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OO7WbmARD08/SQoTKlGj-6I/AAAAAAAAJGU/8QEyXHJgPcA/s1600-h/mickey%27s+house.jpg
In fact, I had another idea to sweeten this idea: have the house for ALL the characters there! To avoid crowding issues, we could rotate the characters, so that it's always different. This might help justify the roller coaster being called The Great Goofini, since it will still have a Goofy theme. With this, we can establish a Toontown for the Studios without doing so at the expense of the Magic Kingdom.
Any thoughts?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OO7WbmARD08/SQoTKlGj-6I/AAAAAAAAJGU/8QEyXHJgPcA/s1600-h/mickey%27s+house.jpg
In fact, I had another idea to sweeten this idea: have the house for ALL the characters there! To avoid crowding issues, we could rotate the characters, so that it's always different. This might help justify the roller coaster being called The Great Goofini, since it will still have a Goofy theme. With this, we can establish a Toontown for the Studios without doing so at the expense of the Magic Kingdom.
Any thoughts?
Wilt Dasney
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If you're OK with a (theoretical) full-fledged Toontown at the Studios, then I just don't see the need for a "sampler" version at MK. I guess I don't see why MK specifically needs a character house.
You're clearly passionate about preserving something of the idea of a place where characters "live" on property, but I think that idea would be best realized through a completely new, fully fleshed-out area that would give Imagineering a big geographical footprint (and budget) to play around with. A single house with a rotating cast of residents just feels too much like shoehorning the concept in at all costs to me. It would be even less impressive than the already underwhelming TTF. If the Toontown idea returns (in concept if not name), I'd like to see the idea built upon, not scaled back even further than it already was for TTF.
But that's just my view. Since this is all armchair Imagineering, I say if you like the idea, that's all that matters. :wave:
mharrington
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I'm just trying to come up with a way of giving the Fab Six a true presence at the Magic Kingdom at all costs, since it's the most kid-friendly of the parks. I just can't see the characters "living" anywhere else on property. If the MK doesn't need a particular character house, where else could the characters go?
What is your idea of this "new, fully fleshed-out area for a geographical footprint" anyway?
juan
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Actually, the character's homes are at Toontown in Disneyland. The houses are TTF at WDW are just their country summer homes.
Wilt Dasney
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I think a completely new area at the Studios would fit that concept well, assuming the land can be found.
Serious question: Since you're this concerned about where Mickey and his friends will "live" after TTF is razed, do you have similar concerns for every other character represented in an attraction or walkaround costume?
I only ask because this seems to me a good example of taking the story too seriously. "Where will Mickey sleep?" seems to lead naturally to "where will Jafar/Pinocchio/the Chesire Cat/etc. sleep?", which then leads to other logical problems like "Villain X died in the movie, how can they appear in the parade?"
I guess this concern that Mickey must have a house just strikes me as that kind of (potentially) excessive concern that every logistic detail of WDW's "story" has to make sense. At some point, you just have to acknowledge they're not real, or you end up building a house for every character Walt ever imagined.
Again, only my view. Hope it doesn't come across as offensive. :shrug:
mharrington
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I know about the characters' homes in Disneyland, but I'm just trying to figure a way to give them a prominent spot in WDW's Magic Kingdom as well.
I mean, they might as well just throw Mickey and the gang out of the park completely.
mharrington
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I was thinking about how everyone insists that Mickey and the gang "live" in Disneyland, as per an Imagineering book (and thus sticking to what that book says): http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4374836&postcount=77.
Well, actually, my idea that the Magic Kingdom should have a reliable spot for Mickey and the gang there is also inspired by what a book says (albeit one not necessarily endorsed by Disney itself). It's called "Mouse Under Glass". Actually, this section is more about the inspiration for the Roger Rabbit ride, so I'm just going to do the first paragraph (there are six in all):
The inspiration for the Roger Rabbit-influenced Mickey's Toontown traces back to Mickey's Starland at Walt Disney World, itself engendered by two interrelated problems at the theme parks. Here was Mickey Mouse, Disney's most famous, most beloved character, and in 30 years of theme parks, he didn't have his own attraction. Neither did his pals, Minnie, Donald, Pluto and Goofy. Furthermore, for small children the highlight of a trip to Disneyland or Disney World is getting the chance to meet the characters, especially Mickey, yet there was no place to reliably find him. Mickey's Starland was developed as a collection of cartoon-style homes and shops where guests could meet the costumed characters. It was always planned as a temporary area since the concept was so limited. About all there was to do was shake a few furry hands and snap a few photos.
There you have it, the first paragraph. In any case, if you noticed the italicized words, you would notice that that pretty much seals it that WDW's Magic Kingdom simply must have a reliable spot for Mickey and the gang.
Well, actually, my idea that the Magic Kingdom should have a reliable spot for Mickey and the gang there is also inspired by what a book says (albeit one not necessarily endorsed by Disney itself). It's called "Mouse Under Glass". Actually, this section is more about the inspiration for the Roger Rabbit ride, so I'm just going to do the first paragraph (there are six in all):
The inspiration for the Roger Rabbit-influenced Mickey's Toontown traces back to Mickey's Starland at Walt Disney World, itself engendered by two interrelated problems at the theme parks. Here was Mickey Mouse, Disney's most famous, most beloved character, and in 30 years of theme parks, he didn't have his own attraction. Neither did his pals, Minnie, Donald, Pluto and Goofy. Furthermore, for small children the highlight of a trip to Disneyland or Disney World is getting the chance to meet the characters, especially Mickey, yet there was no place to reliably find him. Mickey's Starland was developed as a collection of cartoon-style homes and shops where guests could meet the costumed characters. It was always planned as a temporary area since the concept was so limited. About all there was to do was shake a few furry hands and snap a few photos.
There you have it, the first paragraph. In any case, if you noticed the italicized words, you would notice that that pretty much seals it that WDW's Magic Kingdom simply must have a reliable spot for Mickey and the gang.
tirian
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Sorry, but if WDI really would use that rationale to explain away not having anything, it would be one of the most idiotic statements I've heard in a long time. No one—not even the most die-hard, pin-toting Mouse freak—cares about where Mickey's "real" house is. There's a Toontown in Japan, and Disney doesn't pretend that Mickey and Minnie vacation there, too. Every MK park should have a place to reliably meet the Mice in an appropriate setting.
Please don't take this as a personal attack; I know what you're saying, and that's why Disney was careful to label it Toontown Fair in Orlando. But I think they should drop the "fair" nonsense and build a legitimate Toontown in Florida. If they can have multiple Pirates, Mansions, and Cruises, they can have multiple Toontowns.
inluvwithbeast
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I posted about that in some thread somewhere... The fact that the existence of two Toontowns stateside needs to be explained is a bit ridiculous. An example of "story" running rampant.
COProgressFan
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And this is something that I think rabidly defensive fans are putting way more thought into than the Imagineers did!
Why not a Mickey's Vacation Village?
Put their vacation homes there in a beachy/Florida type setting with fake sand and water features for the kids. Heck, Donald's Boat could even be there.
I could see it outside the berm, just past the FLE (kinda like where Disneyland put theirs) past where Circusland is going.
Put their vacation homes there in a beachy/Florida type setting with fake sand and water features for the kids. Heck, Donald's Boat could even be there.
I could see it outside the berm, just past the FLE (kinda like where Disneyland put theirs) past where Circusland is going.