WildcatDen
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Would that make the Jessica Rabbit ride a great Double D?
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Mickey's Toontown Fair begins its transformation February 2011
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Would that make the Jessica Rabbit ride a great Double D?
jjharvpro
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looking at some pics from both WDW's Toontown and DL's Toontown, WDW's does seem a little weak. It's time for a change, and oh...how convenient! What is that you say? A Fantasyland Expansion?? OH YEAH!!!!
But really, I didn't hate Toontown...ever. But it is time(though not here for TOO long), there just wasn't ever a BANG to it. If Barnstormer wasn't there, it would have been a DISASTER
But really, I didn't hate Toontown...ever. But it is time(though not here for TOO long), there just wasn't ever a BANG to it. If Barnstormer wasn't there, it would have been a DISASTER
MotherOfBirds
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:ROFLOL::sohappy::ROFLOL:
Bravo, Wildcat. Many lulz were just had.
And speaking of Indy taking up a lot of space, how much traffic does it get in comparison to other rides?
Tom
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TP2000
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Jessica Rabbit appears a few times in Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin, most memorably at the end of the ride when she escapes from being tied up and takes out one of the weasels who was trying to douse you in dip.
I'm surprised there's not already a fan website set up that's determined the exact dimensions of this figure in this particular Toontown ride. :lol:
Tom
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Jessica Rabbit appears a few times in Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin, most memorably at the end of the ride when she escapes from being tied up and takes out one of the weasels who was trying to douse you in dip.
I'm surprised there's not already a fan website set up that's determined the exact dimensions of this figure in this particular Toontown ride. :lol:
Wowsers!
mharrington
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So basically you're going by what the book said there?
And besides that, that doesn't explain how or why Tokyo Disneyland got a near replica of Disneyland's Toontown.
TomHendricks
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Really a disagreement over where an imaginary mouse imaginary lives!
mharrington
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Well, think about the little kids who believe in Mickey! And besides, where's your imagination?
Wilt Dasney
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mharrington...if you won't accept the official Imagineering backstory for the two Toontowns, I'm not sure what it would take to convince you that DL is Mickey's "real" home and WDW is his "vacation" home.
Disney has always referred to the two that way, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense when you add in Tokyo. I suspect none of this mattered much before the internet. :lol:
Disney has always referred to the two that way, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense when you add in Tokyo. I suspect none of this mattered much before the internet. :lol:
mharrington
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Well, now that we have the Internet, it does.
As for your point about the two Toontowns, it's just not a pill that that be can easily swallowed, especially when you weigh in Tokyo.
MotherOfBirds
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It's a backstory for children and those old enough to believe it are not going to sit around analyzing it and sniffing out every possible loophole. Most children of that age aren't even aware that other Disney parks exist, so it seem rather irrelevant to me. It wasn't written to satisfy adults, but the children. Our suspension of disbelief is pretty thin and lacy anyways.
mharrington
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Remember what Walt said: "You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."
jjharvpro
Active Member
Amen.
inluvwithbeast
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I think that is the most used Walt quote ever. I think people walk around with it in their back pockets, waiting for discussions like this to whip it out.
"Bam! I quoted Walt! Now you can't say anything against me, or you're going against Walt."
Lemme just say this, I don't think kids pay attention much to backstories. In all honesty. And the majority of adults who visit? I don't think they do either. At least not the average adult visitor. When you're in the moment, there is no sign with the backstory all laid out for you to read. You're just like "Oh, wow, we're in a land of tomorrow!" or "Oh, wow, this is Mickey's house!" And the two Toontowns thing? I think it's just dumb, really, that it has to be explained why there are two Toontowns. I guess because the only park I've ever been to is WDW, I seem to think that each park is its own entity... it's own reality. Does DL exist when you're visiting WDW? Is it even necessary to think about DL or HKDL or TDL when you're at WDW or vice versa? I say nah. (Well, unless you're looking for evidence that another park is far superior to the park you're visiting.... or vice versa.)
But then again, maybe the backstory is helpful when you have children who have been to multiple parks asking you, "But I thought Mickey lived in DL? Why does he have a house here too?"
Of course, then why are there two SM and two PotC? And etc...
"Bam! I quoted Walt! Now you can't say anything against me, or you're going against Walt."
Lemme just say this, I don't think kids pay attention much to backstories. In all honesty. And the majority of adults who visit? I don't think they do either. At least not the average adult visitor. When you're in the moment, there is no sign with the backstory all laid out for you to read. You're just like "Oh, wow, we're in a land of tomorrow!" or "Oh, wow, this is Mickey's house!" And the two Toontowns thing? I think it's just dumb, really, that it has to be explained why there are two Toontowns. I guess because the only park I've ever been to is WDW, I seem to think that each park is its own entity... it's own reality. Does DL exist when you're visiting WDW? Is it even necessary to think about DL or HKDL or TDL when you're at WDW or vice versa? I say nah. (Well, unless you're looking for evidence that another park is far superior to the park you're visiting.... or vice versa.)
But then again, maybe the backstory is helpful when you have children who have been to multiple parks asking you, "But I thought Mickey lived in DL? Why does he have a house here too?"
Of course, then why are there two SM and two PotC? And etc...
Tom
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You're right. To take it further, the WDW vs DL is really a macro-conflict. There are several micro-conflicts within WDW itself, in that Mickey already hangs out at MANY places at once between the 4 parks.
Disney does a great job of making sure you never encounter 2 Mickeys at the same time, but you have to draw the line somewhere. If a kid is cognizant enough to be in WDW and remember that Mickey's "real house" was in DL...well, maybe it's time to have "the talk" :lol:
Wilt Dasney
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Agreed with both of the previous posts. The idea that both Toontowns needed to be justified always seemed odd to me, especially considering all the overlap that exists between the parks in other areas.
I suspect part of the reason DL's and MK's Toontown were separated narratively was because the space in MK couldn't support a full Toontown. The limitations imposed by the necessity to work within the Birthday/Starland area probably caused the Imagineers to get creative and think "Well if we can't make this as fleshed out as the one we did at DL, what kind of story can we come up with?"
In other words, my guess is that the parallel stories were more a product of MK logistics than something that was seen as necessary.
I suspect part of the reason DL's and MK's Toontown were separated narratively was because the space in MK couldn't support a full Toontown. The limitations imposed by the necessity to work within the Birthday/Starland area probably caused the Imagineers to get creative and think "Well if we can't make this as fleshed out as the one we did at DL, what kind of story can we come up with?"
In other words, my guess is that the parallel stories were more a product of MK logistics than something that was seen as necessary.
inluvwithbeast
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Haha, I was kind of thinking the same thing.
mharrington
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Same here.
MiklCraw4d
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*APPLAUSE*
Well said. This whole duel-Toontown backstory is something that approximately .1% of visitors would ever think about, and that's because they have too much time on their hands and worry about things like that.
Instead, just like another poster said, the whole "Toontown Fair is a country retreat" is just a retcon that WDI came up with to justify TTF being a pale and shabby imitation of the DL version. I hate that backstory has moved from something that adds texture to a themed attraction to something that gets cooked up to justify bad design. Especially when it seems like there's some sort of supplemental reading material you should be provided to understand what's going on.
Being in a Disney park requires some suspension of belief, and the latter-day obsession with "story" (meaning, usually, "plot"), flies in the face of that. If you're worrying how a man-sized cartoon mouse can have houses on both the east and the west coast, you should probably really just relax.
(Besides, I started going to WDW when I was 5 and I'm trying to think if I ever thought Mickey & co. were really "real". I think there's some agreed-upon suspension of disbelief and play-acting that goes on, but do people think they're REAL?)