UnrealFire
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What attraction are you referring to? The only attraction in Orlando that comes with a barf bag is Mission Space.
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What attraction are you referring to? The only attraction in Orlando that comes with a barf bag is Mission Space.
Lee
Adventurer
But they are preaching to the choir in my opinion.
The same guests that will flock to the FLE are the same ones that are already spending a majority of their time in the MK. Like you said, your family doesn't spend much time at DHS or AK. You would likely already be at the MK, only now you will have some princess-centric areas to visit.
No real increase in attendance will result, only a likely boom to any princess merchandise locations in the FLE.
They are only moving the guests that already frequented the MK and Fantasyland to a new area.
Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be some princess activities for your little ones. On the contrary, they should definately have a presence in the MK in the form of M&G, merchandise shops, etc. Only not at the expense of adding an attraction that would relly help the park by bringing in new guests.
Not at all.
MK is already skewed to the young crowd. What it needs is an attraction to draw in guests that are thinking of bypassing MK due to that very perception.
Adding a major new e-ticket (such as ToT, Everest, Indy, SM in Paris, not necessarily a coaster) has been proven to provide a huge increase in attendance and profit. Inf act such attraction have been known to brethe new life into troubled parks. The smart move would have been to add such an attraction to MK, as well as establishing a princess presence somewhere in the existing Fantasyland
MKCP 1985
Well-Known Member
Why? MK is the most visited park in the world, while other parks - particularly Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom - are viewed as lacking. Why try and boost attendance at the Magic Kingdom?
Instead, why not try and enhance the experience for that crowd already being served so they continue to come. After all, the ankle biters quickly grow into adolescents and there is always a new crop of ankle biters coming up behind them.
Don't get me wrong though. Personally, I'd love a new thrill ride in the Magic Kingdom. That would give me more of a reason to go there now, at this point in my life, when I have no young children to thrill with dolls and pirates and pooh bears. But it has been proven time and time again that "I" am not the demographic MK is seeking, so my Alien Encounter and Mr. Toad and Timekeeper get kicked to the curb for more little kid friendly attractions. :shrug:
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Because its riding on the coat tails of an era where the MK did cater more to older demographics. When they come back and find it a kiddie park, they'll be disapointed and won't come back. And attendance in the long run will fall.
DisneyLeo18
Active Member
MK may have the highest attendance, but it can be higher if they add an all-star e-ticket attraction (which they havent done since SplM). Why settle when you can have more? When I visit MK I may spend the whole day at MK, but I like to make more frequent trips to DHS or AK to ride their e-tickets. If they added an e-ticket, as Lee suggested, I'm sure it would draw a ton more people to MK as EE did with AK. But instead they added more to do for the people that love to spend time in MK anyway.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
We both seem to agree that some kind of princess attraction should have been added. (Isn't M&G, merchandise shops, etc what we're getting?) :shrug:
And I agree with you that I'd love to see an E-ticket added to MK as well. But, that wasn't in the cards this time (although I have heard the Little Mermaid ride described as E-ticket).
You're viewing this as a choice. One or the other. When ideally, they would add both. If it really was a choice, you have to figure Disney ran all the numbers first and came up with FLE as the better choice. I'm going to defer to their better judgement on that one.
My guess is that FLE did not bump a proposed thrill ride. But you would know better than I. Maybe that's the reason for your anger.
Regarding "the choir", here's what I can tell you from experience. Yes, we spent a fair amount of time in MK. Epcot was actually my 5-year-old's favorite park. DTD outranked MK. There really wasn't anything specifically targeted at my girls. But they would have loved FLE if it had been there.
(Well, Kara's 1 so she doesn't really care much one way or another. But she will next time.)
As it was, we forked over the bigs bucks to eat at Cindy's castle because daddy finally won the ADR lotto. We definitely would have done more if there had been more to do. If FLE had been completed we would have spent more time at MK. And I'm sure they'd have gotten more money out of us.
We would also be more inclined to go back. As it stands, we won't go back to WDW until it's finished.
Right now, thrill seekers at MK have 3 mountains to enjoy. And there's plenty of other stuff at the other parks. On all of WDW property, we have 2 expensive (and hard to book) character meals, a pricey make-over with multiple locastions, 1 rickety dark ride (which is too scary for its intended audience), various meet and greets (with too-long lines) and 2 very old Broadway-style shows (and little kids just love sitting still for those!)
When you look at it that way, I think you can see the need for FLE.
Now, I agree I'd love to see a better mix of attractions at all the parks. DHS and AK need some more attractions. But specifically they need family-friendly attractions. Preferably dark rides. MK could be balanced a little better with something like Indy. A better mix would be good for the property as a whole.
But FLE isn't the problem. It's needed. They just need to fix other parts of the park as well.
Figment632
New Member
indy jttcote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MKCP 1985
Well-Known Member
Maybe, but it is more likely the people you are talking about will still come to Walt Disney World and those older children will spend their time in parks with extra capacity and the Magic Kingdom will be all about enhanced guest experiences for families with young children because that has proven to be extremely successful, based upon attendance numbers.
The reason Indiana Jones is in the Disneyland park is because Disneyland didn't have an Animal Kingdom Park it needed to fill up with attractions. :shrug:
Lee
Adventurer
THAT is what I'm fighting against. The transition of MK from a park for everyone, to a park geared towards kids and families with them. I have no tolerance for this seemingly intentional shift in MK demographics.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I certainly agree that while there are some within Disney that feel that attedance has peaked/plateaued - the huge boost in Disneyland attendance this year should be an indication that it's not the case. And what is Disneyland doing about it? They're planning on several E-Tickets after the DCA expansion to keep that resort fresh, all the while increasing the capacity dramatically over the next 5-10 years.
I do feel that the Magic Kingdom should have a slant towards children. Maybe it's not the park with Mission: Space, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster or Expedition Everest level thrills, but that doesn't mean that it can't have anything that's moderately thrilling.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Er, you mean studios rather than AK? Anyways, that's true, but it works though. Indy at DL doesn't turn DL into a Six Flags thrill park, it doesn't alienate younger kids, and its a huge offering for older kids and teens.
None of the parks should cater to just one demographic. They should have equal offerings for all demographics, its simply common sense for good buisness.
misterID
Well-Known Member
Pirates Of The Scaribean would have brought in all kinds of crowds. TDO killed it. The new SM would have done the same. TDO killed it. A Mysterious Island/BK for AK would have brought load of people to Animal Kingdom. TDO killed it.Even the Imagination refurb would bring in all kinds of people, young and old, those who remember the original and those who dont. And TDO is doing everything it can not to do it.
Anything TDO doesn't consider WDW "needs" won't happen. Which basically means there are tons of attactions that will never see the light of day in WDW while the current managment is in place... But they will be built in other disney parks.
Btw, WDW soon won't be the most visited them park in the world, TDL/DisneySea will.
Anything TDO doesn't consider WDW "needs" won't happen. Which basically means there are tons of attactions that will never see the light of day in WDW while the current managment is in place... But they will be built in other disney parks.
Btw, WDW soon won't be the most visited them park in the world, TDL/DisneySea will.
Lee
Adventurer
Last I heard, it won't be a Vekoma.
I think, if I recall correctly, it's gonna be a Gerstlauer.
headhoncho34
Member
As i said TDO could careless about the state of the parks or their quality. All they care about is themselves and what they think will draw in a large amount of money. Why do you think they butchered the SM refurb and the Beastly Kingdom section of Ak, because they are coporate idiots who will trash a park to their degree as long as its more cash to fatten their sleazy pockets. As long as the idiots in their keep running it the way they do things will continue to collapse. Fantasyland will turn into a princess ridden filth and TL will disintegrate into a Pixar land. This nonsense needs to stop immiedialtely or we as WDW fans will be in for one hell of a downward spiral.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
There were quite a few reasons why Beastly Kingdom didn't happen.
At the Park opening, I had heard they were between Dinoland and Beastly Kingdom for getting the axe and bumped to Phase 2. The story goes that Eisner wanted the synergy of Countdown to Extinction/Dinosaur to coincide with the upcoming animated movie, so Beastly Kingdom was pushed back to phase 2.
When they opened the Animal Kingdom, they wanted to have additions at the other parks so as not to have people skipping out on the other offerings just to see the new park. The problem is, none of these new things were opened on time (Test Track, David Copperfield's Magic Underground), and the attendance dropped in the other parks. The money that was earmarked for the Phase 2 expansion was invested into improvements into the other parks so Beastly Kingdom was pushed back again.
When Islands of Adventure opened up, Disney has a plan of attack to add things to each of the parks in the event that Islands of Adventure was a huge success. The plan for the Animal Kingdom was the addition of Beastly Kingdom. Of course what happened was that Islands of Adventure did nothing to Disney's attendance so the plan to add things as an immediate response became stretched out due to a lack of need for rapid expansion.
So at this point, Beastly Kingdom was still on the table, but then Eisner and a few other big wigs went over to Islands of Adventure to check out the park. When they get over to the Lost Continent area they realized that many of the themes and concepts were lifted from the Dragon Challenge concept that was to be the major attraction in Beastly Kingdom. Even though the on ride theming wasn't identical, some of the people at Universal Creative were former Imagineers and the ideas found their way over to Islands of Adventure. At this point it was decided to shelve the original version of Beastly Kingdom.
HMF
Well-Known Member
And what can we do about it?
headhoncho34
Member
As someone said TDO will only add things to the parks when they think they need them, not to keep the parks fresh. Just as you mentioned Beastly Kingdom not getting the greenlight because IOA didnt effect AK's attendance, thats how TDO operates. Sadly its been like that since the mid 90s.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Its amazing. WDW is the vacation capital of the world, makes millions of dollars a year, is a part of a multibillion dollar company, and TDO treats it like its a struggling small buisness in the middle of a recession. :brick: