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MI2 Greenlighted! DHS Coaster Too?
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I think perhaps this should be looked at the macro level- Walt Disney World as a whole- which has a park more centered on smaller children (MK), one with a more adult focus (EP, especially the WS), and two parks with a bit of a mix for both. Putting the FL expansion into place is maintaining the kid-centric focus that MK enjoys, and hopefully the changes and new additions to the will be along the same vein for the focus of that park.
Whew, time for a drink after that......:dazzle:
Whew, time for a drink after that......:dazzle:
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
BrerFrog
Active Member
I wouldn't say everything, but most of the attractions/shows do. That is a shame considering that goes completely against what Walt wanted his parks to be.
Studios Fan
Active Member
Agreed.
Okie Mike
Member
"We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together." Walt Disney commenting on Disneyland. Thrill ride dominated parks are out there. They don't compare to WDW precisely due to its focus on the little ones. I'm not sure what some of you are looking for, but you might need to head to another park. MK is created for families with kids and it is the most visited park in the world.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
So its just for families with kids and teens and young adults are left in the dust?
We're not asking for the place to be a huge thrill park, we just want a few more offerings that appeal to the teen demographic like an Indiana Jones ride or a return of Alien Encounter. Because right now the park looks and feels like a kiddie park.
And believe me a lot of the offerings (mostly the shows) don't really keep up the family enjoying things together motto because the shows are so dumbed down to be for kids and only kids.
Like Lee said, there should be somthing for everyone not everything for everyone.
Lee
Adventurer
Yes...we all know that quote.
However, it's meaning is often mistaken.
Walt was not saying that he wanted a park where every ride would be for every guest, kids and adults. He was saying that in his park, everyone would be able to find something for them to do and enjoy. Not necessarily kids and adults at the same time.
He didn't like taking his kids to the small park in LA where the only thing to do was watch the little kids ride the merry-go-round while he sat by himself on a bench. He wanted something for the grown-ups to do as well.
After all, Walt gave us the Matterhorn, and was the one who came up with the idea for Space Mountain.
Here's another Walt quote for you:
"You're dead if you only aim for kids."
_Scar
Active Member
But it is, basically, everything for everyone. Is that really a bad thing? It's like taking that notorious Walt quote and putting it to the extreme? Is it necesarily a bad thing every ride is for everyone in the family? I don't think so. I think it's probably one of the main reasons it's number 1. It has that balance, and even more when FLE comes.
And the Fantasyland is for the young at heart. It's been like this since '55. MK not having a proper FL on the level of the other Disneyland parks gives me the :brick:feeling. And seeing people complain about it saying it makes it more kid oriented makes me question what they want for MK. A new adult ride or a Fantasyland that may actually be comparable to other Fantasylands.
And to completely spin into the 'kid only MK' argument:
I don't buy into the "everything is so kid oriented! rabble! rabble!" argument. If you really think Buzz Lightyear template for a shooter game is really for your 5 year old only or the Tiki birds with the new management are for your 10 and under crowd only then I can only say I don't see where your argument is coming from.
Lee
Adventurer
Yes. I think it is a bad thing. It creates a park skewed towards rides that guests of certain demographic have no interest in going on.
No. It's number one because of how it's marketed as "THE" Disney park. It is an icon, and what most people think of when they think of Disney World.
Balance? FLE? No. Wrong.
FLE will greatly skew the balance towards young children, especially girls. The last attraction added to MK that was (for lack of a better term) a big-people attraction was Alien Encounter....15 years ago. Now even it is gone.
Since then....Stitch, Buzz, MILF, Pooh, Barnstormer, Philharmagic, Magic Carpets, Castle shows, Stitch shows, Ariel's Grotto...all attractions aimed squarely at one demographic: kids or adults with kids.
(Yes, I know. Adults can enjoy those attractions, too. But many, such as myself, do not.)
Now along comes the abomination of FLE. A family dark ride. Multiple fancy M&Gs. Basically it's Princess-palooza. Nothing there for me outside of perhaps an occasional meal or ride on Mermaid.
Balance even further skewed towards the little ones.
DisneyLeo18
Active Member
I agree with Lee 100%. Most rides in the MK can be enjoyed by every one, but in all reality are not, and it doesn't appear to be getting better. I have no interest in the FLE because it brings nothing to the table for me, or any one I usually travel with.
I went to WDW a few years ago with 3 friends of mine (we're all the same age, and were 18 at the time) and we rode every ride in MK, but they didn't really enjoy the park since it was mostly rides aimed towards children, and we spent more time visiting AK and DHS. It doesn't need to be a thrill park, but more rides like EE or ToT wouldn't be bad.
I went to WDW a few years ago with 3 friends of mine (we're all the same age, and were 18 at the time) and we rode every ride in MK, but they didn't really enjoy the park since it was mostly rides aimed towards children, and we spent more time visiting AK and DHS. It doesn't need to be a thrill park, but more rides like EE or ToT wouldn't be bad.
My local park has a section for kids, and a separate area with thrill rides. My family and I hate going there.
Either we're in the kids section which my kids enjoy but which bores my wife and I to tears, or we're in the thrill ride section which my wife and I enjoy, but my kids have nothing to do.
That's not what I want out of a Disney park. The so-called kiddie rides like Peter pan and Pooh are rides we ALL enjoy going on together, and the 'thrill' rides are almost all mild enough that everyone who meets the height requirements can enjoy.
That's why my family loves Disney and chooses to spend 10 times the amount of money to go there as opposed to our local park.
Until other places replicate that model, they'll never be as successful as the Disney parks.
Either we're in the kids section which my kids enjoy but which bores my wife and I to tears, or we're in the thrill ride section which my wife and I enjoy, but my kids have nothing to do.
That's not what I want out of a Disney park. The so-called kiddie rides like Peter pan and Pooh are rides we ALL enjoy going on together, and the 'thrill' rides are almost all mild enough that everyone who meets the height requirements can enjoy.
That's why my family loves Disney and chooses to spend 10 times the amount of money to go there as opposed to our local park.
Until other places replicate that model, they'll never be as successful as the Disney parks.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
Not to high jack the thread, but there's actually not a lot at MK (or WDW as a whole) to appeal to the princess crowd right now. Most of the stuff that is there is very expensive. Yet even at these prices, they are packed.
The FLE will help satisfy a demand that is not currently being met. FLE is needed. If you don't think so, try to book a princess breakfast or wait in line to see Tinkerbell.
If it doesn't interest you, fine. Not every attraction is going to interest you. Odds are a lot of your favorite attractions don't appeal to my little girls either.
Regarding that Walt quote, I've seen it used to back-up just about every argument under the sun. No one knows what Walt would have wanted. Let's leave him out of it.
Like padlock, I want to take my daughters to a place where I can enjoy spending time with them. I don't like watching them ride (let's say) a merry-go-round while people without kids enjoy the thrill rides. Magic Kingdom offers plenty that all of us can and do enjoy.
PS. Alien Encounter wasn't that great to begin with, people. Let it go!
The FLE will help satisfy a demand that is not currently being met. FLE is needed. If you don't think so, try to book a princess breakfast or wait in line to see Tinkerbell.
If it doesn't interest you, fine. Not every attraction is going to interest you. Odds are a lot of your favorite attractions don't appeal to my little girls either.
Regarding that Walt quote, I've seen it used to back-up just about every argument under the sun. No one knows what Walt would have wanted. Let's leave him out of it.
Like padlock, I want to take my daughters to a place where I can enjoy spending time with them. I don't like watching them ride (let's say) a merry-go-round while people without kids enjoy the thrill rides. Magic Kingdom offers plenty that all of us can and do enjoy.
PS. Alien Encounter wasn't that great to begin with, people. Let it go!
i can see how people would argue it's too kiddie but i'm 27 and i love it. why? because i can feel like a kid. I took two of my best friends who are my age and have never been in the past year. i was worried that they might think it was too kiddie, but they said they loved the feeling just as much as i did. if i want adult, i'll go to six flags. but if i want "just right", i'll go to wdw. i'll welcome any and all thrill rides, but even if they don't add one. i'll still love wdw, and especially the MK.
_Scar
Active Member
My family has a perfectly great time and the only rides we think are kiddish are in Fantasyland... the place for kids at heart. :lookaroun
And it has a lot to offer for everyone. :shrug: No? Doesn't count?
Balance? FLE? No. Wrong.
FLE will greatly skew the balance towards young children, especially girls. The last attraction added to MK that was (for lack of a better term) a big-people attraction was Alien Encounter....15 years ago. Now even it is gone.
Since then....Stitch, Buzz, MILF, Pooh, Barnstormer, Philharmagic, Magic Carpets, Castle shows, Stitch shows, Ariel's Grotto...all attractions aimed squarely at one demographic: kids or adults with kids.
(Yes, I know. Adults can enjoy those attractions, too. But many, such as myself, do not.)
Now along comes the abomination of FLE. A family dark ride. Multiple fancy M&Gs. Basically it's Princess-palooza. Nothing there for me outside of perhaps an occasional meal or ride on Mermaid.
Balance even further skewed towards the little ones.
I know plenty of adults who love Philharmagic, Magic Carpets, the castle shows, Toontown, and Buzz. Disney movies appeal to a broad range of characters, so why don't they appeal to those in the parks. Do you consider Up or Aladdin a strictly kids brand? I don't. Maybe I'm the odd one here.
And, once again, this is for Fantastyland (the place for kids [at heart]). I'd go as far as to say TLM is very co-ed. Maybe the most co-ed princess film next to BatB- the other big movie in the expansion.
I just can't really explain my point other than saying
A.) It's Fantsyland!
B.) Before everybody wanted an updated Fantasyland
C.) There are many co-ed issues addressed.
I think this is more about your preferences towards not liking the Fantasyland aspects rather it being way too kid-oriented.
_Scar
Active Member
DHS needs it. I give it the _scar stamp of approval.
(don't worry, FLE comes up in every thread somehow [and if it isn't FLE then it's FW])
No hard feelings Lee. :animwink:
hoke2007
Active Member
If the Monsters Inc. ride did get the green light, DHS would probably turn into a full day park, at least for me. I really, really, really hope it gets built.
djkidkaz
Well-Known Member
So its just for families with kids and teens and young adults are left in the dust?
We're not asking for the place to be a huge thrill park, we just want a few more offerings that appeal to the teen demographic like an Indiana Jones ride or a return of Alien Encounter. Because right now the park looks and feels like a kiddie park.
And believe me a lot of the offerings (mostly the shows) don't really keep up the family enjoying things together motto because the shows are so dumbed down to be for kids and only kids.
Like Lee said, there should be somthing for everyone not everything for everyone.
Young adults are left in the dust because they are "too cool" to be seen with their families.
God forbid they ride Small World and actually admit they like it! The attractions are there so that everyone in the family can ride together. When you have things like Tower of Terror or Aerosmith, theres a good chance your alienating part of your audience. My parents are in their 60's and wont ride either of those, so they are left sitting on a bench until the rest of the family is done. Im not sure if you young adults realize this or not, but as you get older, your body changes! Rides that you rode as a kid can now make you dizzy or sick for hours after, thus ruining the attractions that are "meant for your demographic". Im 31 years old and my first visit was when I was 21. Even at 21 I never thought there weren't enough thrill rides. I didn't even think of it in terms of thrill rides compared to family rides. It was and always has been, things I like vs. things I don't like. I love a ride like Aerosmith, but I love a show like Philharmagic just as much. I'd much rather have rides that I can enjoy and talk about with my entire family. Thats why Disney is a success and Six Flags is a failure and now attempting to put in water parks and family attractions to save their business.
And I see people complain that they are bringing in too many princesses with the FLE and that everything is geared towards kids now. Well I think part of the problem is that your forgetting about the stuff that your just used to seeing. So there putting in some meet and greets with princesses, big deal?! They've had the Dapper Dans performing forever and Im sure that most little kids hate when their parents stop them to re-live the nostalgia of these performers. Who's the riverboat geared towards? Or how about the Hall of Presidents? Im sure the kids just love those attractions!
But you know what, the kids can be involved in them without fear of getting sick.Everything should be available to everyone. You may not like every attraction, but there shouldn't be anything that you aren't able to ride and thrill rides do just that. They have one that comes with a barf bag for gods sake!
Figment632
New Member
In Jan I spent a full day in DHS without riding TOT or RnRC :lookaroun