DisneyLeo18
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MI2 Greenlighted! DHS Coaster Too?
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orky8
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Wow, we are drifiting off topic, so I will add to the drift. While I greatly look forward to the FLE, my problem is not so much that it targets kids (hey, it is Fantasyland), but that it seems too much towards little girls, especially if Pixie Hollow goes forward as planned. If they turned Pixie Hollow into Neverland or something more unisex like Wonderland, then I would be 90% happy. 100% would require adding another good, family darkride.
DHS really needs more family rides. The big ticket items at DHS - TOT, RNR, and even ST - are not good for younger children. I think DHS would be a very difficult park if you only have young kids (or, really, would just be 1/2 day park or a lot of bench sitting for some members of the family). I hope Monsters is a true family coaster, dedicated to story-telling and immersion more than thrill. Add in Carsland, and DHS could become a very good family park. I love thrill rides, but they are not why I go to Disney.
DHS really needs more family rides. The big ticket items at DHS - TOT, RNR, and even ST - are not good for younger children. I think DHS would be a very difficult park if you only have young kids (or, really, would just be 1/2 day park or a lot of bench sitting for some members of the family). I hope Monsters is a true family coaster, dedicated to story-telling and immersion more than thrill. Add in Carsland, and DHS could become a very good family park. I love thrill rides, but they are not why I go to Disney.
Lee
Adventurer
So Disney shouldn't build thrill rides?
That is completely ridiculous.:ROFLOL:
Keep in mind, not all families have children
wave. That means that when they ride ToT or RnRC there is nobody left sitting on a bench feeling left out rolleyes. Shouldn't those families have a right to be represented in the attraction lineup?:shrug:Of course they do.
Would I stop going to MK if they removed all attractions that are not kid and older adult friendly?
Yes. Yes I would. I have no interest in meeting a princess or riding Small World.
Of course not. Me neither. That's what Six-Flags and Busch Gardens are for.
But I do expect to find a good mix of attractions at Disney, from family friendly to more teen/adult oriented. It's all about the mix...something for everyone.
djkidkaz
Well-Known Member
So Disney shouldn't build thrill rides?
That is completely ridiculous.:ROFLOL:
Keep in mind, not all families have children
Of course they do.
Would I stop going to MK if they removed all attractions that are not kid and older adult friendly?
Yes. Yes I would. I have no interest in meeting a princess or riding Small World.
Of course not. Me neither. That's what Six-Flags and Busch Gardens are for.
But I do expect to find a good mix of attractions at Disney, from family friendly to more teen/adult oriented. It's all about the mix...something for everyone.
Disney can have thrill rides, but it depends on how thrilling in my opinion. An attraction that comes with a barf bag should not be in a Disney theme park and the fact that the attraction was a total dud proves the point.
Just to add a little bit to that....Many families with kids still love thrill rides. I have 3 girls that are thrill ride junkies. I had a running agreement with my youngest daughter that as soon as she hit a minimum ride requirement we would head to WDW and hit all the ride that lined up with her new height. I also take a good bit of pride in the fact that all of our family portraits are on Disney Thrill rides.So Disney shouldn't build thrill rides?
That is completely ridiculous.:ROFLOL:
Keep in mind, not all families have children
Of course they do.
Would I stop going to MK if they removed all attractions that are not kid and older adult friendly?
Yes. Yes I would. I have no interest in meeting a princess or riding Small World.
Of course not. Me neither. That's what Six-Flags and Busch Gardens are for.
But I do expect to find a good mix of attractions at Disney, from family friendly to more teen/adult oriented. It's all about the mix...something for everyone.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
There should be something for everyone. But currently, there is a large group of Disney fans whose needs are not being met.
I think we can all agree that there are a lot of little girls out there who love princesses and fairies, yes? There should definitely be something for them, right? Especially at MK. So far, I doubt I've lost anyone.
Right now, you can shell out big bucks for a princess meal (if you are lucky enough to get an ADR), you can shell out big bucks for a princess make-over or you can wait in very long lines for meet and greets held in mostly unthemed rooms. The only other princess-themed attraction is Snow White's Scary Adventure.
The FLE basically takes Toon Town (which was kiddie central anyway) and uses it to meet the huge demand for fairies and princesses which currently isn't being met. It's also adding a family-friendly e-ticket and helping with the park's lack of table service restaurants. And there are other enhancements as well (Dueling Dumbos).
I don't understand all of the hostility towards this project. It's better than what we currently have. And it meets the demands of the most obviously under-served demographic in all of the parks - little girls who are clamoring for more princesses. Disney is smart to recognize that they are leaving money on the table by not satisfying this large group of fans.
If you object on the basis of a larger picture in which characters are invading other parts of the park, that's really not relevant. This is Fantasyland (and the former Toon Town). Characters should be front and center here.
If you object on the basis of it being too girly, you're being ridiculous. Most of the attractions at WDW skew toward traditional male interests. You can handle a small part of one park skewing towards little girls. You won't get cooties, I promise.
There should be something for everyone. And the FLE moves MK closer to that ideal.
I think we can all agree that there are a lot of little girls out there who love princesses and fairies, yes? There should definitely be something for them, right? Especially at MK. So far, I doubt I've lost anyone.
Right now, you can shell out big bucks for a princess meal (if you are lucky enough to get an ADR), you can shell out big bucks for a princess make-over or you can wait in very long lines for meet and greets held in mostly unthemed rooms. The only other princess-themed attraction is Snow White's Scary Adventure.
The FLE basically takes Toon Town (which was kiddie central anyway) and uses it to meet the huge demand for fairies and princesses which currently isn't being met. It's also adding a family-friendly e-ticket and helping with the park's lack of table service restaurants. And there are other enhancements as well (Dueling Dumbos).
I don't understand all of the hostility towards this project. It's better than what we currently have. And it meets the demands of the most obviously under-served demographic in all of the parks - little girls who are clamoring for more princesses. Disney is smart to recognize that they are leaving money on the table by not satisfying this large group of fans.
If you object on the basis of a larger picture in which characters are invading other parts of the park, that's really not relevant. This is Fantasyland (and the former Toon Town). Characters should be front and center here.
If you object on the basis of it being too girly, you're being ridiculous. Most of the attractions at WDW skew toward traditional male interests. You can handle a small part of one park skewing towards little girls. You won't get cooties, I promise.
There should be something for everyone. And the FLE moves MK closer to that ideal.
imagineer boy
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I think DLP is a perfect example of a mix of stuff for the teens and family crowds. They have a much more mature version of the Haunted Mansion, SM is extremely intense with loops and a launch, and the Indy coaster is pretty intense with a loop. But it also has plenty of family rides such as all the FL rides, storybook land, POTC, IASW, BTMRR, Buzz, etc. And it works perfectly!
orky8
Well-Known Member
I largely agree with Lee and Yoda that it is about something for everyone (not everything for everyone). But, I also think most attractions should be for everyone to enjoy (whether or not it is their cup of tea). And while true, not all people who visit Disney have children, most do (I don't have children yet myself).
That said, I think DHS is currently to thrill ride heavy at the moment. I think each park should offer a good mix for everyone and what I think DHS lacks are good, family dark rides. I actually think MK has the best mix right now. BTMRR and SM are its "thrill" rides. Indy would make an excellent addition. FLE, I think is also an excellent addition with two big qualms - 1) using so much space for so few new rides and 2) so heavily slanted towards girls.
I am a thrill ride junkie (though Mission Space Orange is a no-go for me). But, like Lee said, that is what Busch Gardens and Six Flags are for. I'm glad your three girls love thrill rides, but I suspect they also appreciate that Disney is more about immersive, story-telling experiences.
That said, I think DHS is currently to thrill ride heavy at the moment. I think each park should offer a good mix for everyone and what I think DHS lacks are good, family dark rides. I actually think MK has the best mix right now. BTMRR and SM are its "thrill" rides. Indy would make an excellent addition. FLE, I think is also an excellent addition with two big qualms - 1) using so much space for so few new rides and 2) so heavily slanted towards girls.
I am a thrill ride junkie (though Mission Space Orange is a no-go for me). But, like Lee said, that is what Busch Gardens and Six Flags are for. I'm glad your three girls love thrill rides, but I suspect they also appreciate that Disney is more about immersive, story-telling experiences.
Lee
Adventurer
Still disagree. No limit should be placed on the level of thrills. If you don't like it, don't ride it. Like me and Snow White. Easy as that.
Speaking just for myself, the hostility arises from two points.
1- That after waiting nearly 20 years for an addition to the MK, all we get is a series of glorified M&G locations, a restaurant, and a d-ticket dark ride. M&Gs are meant to complement the park, and be nice little side benefits, not substitutes for real attractions. All the princess needs could have been met for a fraction of the cost, a fraction of the space, and left enough in the budget for a major e-ticket in Adventureland, Tomorrowland, or yes...even Fantasyland (Villian Mtn?).
2- It really doesn't help the park from a financial standpoint. Spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build M&Gs to serve guests who were already going to be in the MK anyhow. They could have accomplished that by just adding a princess area (shops and M&Gs) to the existing Fantasyland. They are preaching to the choir, and will not reap the same benefits (in marketing, attendance, etc.) that they would have seen from the addition of an e-ticket on the level of Everest or ToT. It's simply money not well spent.
BrerFrog
Active Member
So does that mean you spent a whole day on TSMM's queue?!
I think all of the four gates are at least one-day parks, as long as you are open-minded as to what you will experience.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
Both of your points are really about larger issues than the FLE. Your frustration over the stagnation of MK for 20 years has very little bearing on whether or not FLE is a good idea. The fact that you'd like something else instead isn't really very relavent either.
The financial benefits of FLE could be debated. But what's the point. Disney has all the accountants in the world. Obviously, they thought they'd get more bang for the buck out of FLE or they'd have gone another way.
Are they preaching to the choir? I don't think so. I think they are building a place for the choir to sing. Currently, the choir is kind of homeless.
As someone without kids, you probably see princesses everywhere and assume that little girls are being taken care of. But in reality, they are not. And they are dying to give Disney more money to have their needs met.
On the other hand, one more family-friendly coaster (likely skewed towards a traditional male interest) seems like preaching to the choir to me.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
So does that mean you spent a whole day on TSMM's queue?!
I think all of the four gates are at least one-day parks, as long as you are open-minded as to what you will experience.
There is actually very little for my family to do at AKL. So much so, we didn't even bother on our last trip. DHS is 1/2 day at best for us. These two parks need dark rides badly.
Figment632
New Member
So does that mean you spent a whole day on TSMM's queue?!
I think all of the four gates are at least one-day parks, as long as you are open-minded as to what you will experience.
lol a good part of it!!!
But I disagree we usually can do DHS and DAK in one day.
Enchantâmes
Active Member
Ugh The Incredibles suck... But seriously is it me or has Jt been over reacting to everything little thing lately?I want Incredibles 2. Not Monsters Inc 2.
UnrealFire
New Member
I find that's easy to do because of the alternating times of the shows. It's tough to see BatB, IJESSS, LMA, and Fantasmic! all in one day.
Edit: Although I would prefer not to watch LMA again.
janoimagine
Well-Known Member
Really? I thought the movie was great.
Enchantâmes
Active Member
I know its popular but I didn't care for it, all except for Edna Mode. Everything else was just boring to me.
Jt was excited about the prospect of the movie being greenlit, and a potential tie in with the long-discussed Monsters coaster. While I don't necessarily think one will lead to the other (not with all of the attention and funds being focused on the FLE), you can't blame the guy for being excited over the potential......
janoimagine
Well-Known Member
Couldn't disagree with you more. A thrill ride at Cedar Point or Six Flags consists of tube steel, wheel's and a chain motor. A thrill ride at Disney has all of the above, builds a story around it, and puts you in the middle of that story.
Bottom line is, if you don't like the thrill rides, then don't go on them. I don't like IASW but I am not saying rides like that should be banned from Disney property just because I don't like them. Disney has something for everyone, thats the beauty of it.