MI2 Greenlighted! DHS Coaster Too?

[glee]

The movie doesnt confirm an attraction but it makes it more probable.

 

[SeaCastle]

I believe maintenance has gotten better over the past few years, or at least since 2004 when some of Paul Pressler's bureaucracy was still left over. From what I hear the Magic Kingdom is better than ever now.

 

[Krack]

I believe maintenance has gotten better over the past few years, or at least since 2004 when some of Paul Pressler's bureaucracy was still left over. From what I hear the Magic Kingdom is better than ever now.

Disneyland is miles better than it was under Cynthia Harriss. I'm not sure I'd say the same about WDW. Regardless, both resorts are also miles away from where they were circa 1989.

 

[djkidkaz]

Here's how people can complain about cleanliness ... the parks used to be cleaner. End of story.

The parks used to be better maintained. Peeling paint was fixed when someone noticed it. Marks on the wall? Painted over immediately. Light bulbs replaced, etc. It's not a priority anymore.

http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2010/2/20/why-the-decline-in-park-maintenance.html

I didn't write this, but this blog post has some photo examples; this kind of stuff was never acceptable in the early to mid eighties.

But don't take my word for it. Here's Roy Disney's answer to a question ("Do you still visit Disneyland Park and what changes have you seen over the years?") from 2004:

We try to walk through the park when we can. I'm actually going to be down there week after next for a friend's birthday party so I'll get a chance to walk around a little bit. I've found that both here and in Florida, maintenance is not what it used to be. I think I see more and more junk on the ground that didn't get picked it up. It's like a reflex action, you know. We do it still. You see something there, you pick it up and throw it away. Bathrooms are not as clean as they used to be. We've seen light bulbs out and paint falling off and stuff. So I've seen a lot of things. It's not all good, but there's some good stuff, too...

When you ask Roy Disney what's the biggest change in the parks over the years, and his first thought is peeling paint, you know there's a problem. And it's not an insignificant problem.



I'm in my thirties. I think you'll find your premise to be the exact opposite in practice ... the (for lack of a better word) satisfied crowd typically skews younger, while the complaints more often then not come from the 30s and up crowd.

Some of those photos are really stretching it, I can't even tell what Im supposed to be looking at in some of them.

The Roy stuff is from 2004, thats 6 years ago. We've gone through the whole Roy takeover thing since then, so I think the issues from then have been dealt with and we're moving forward.

Oh well, there is no point in even discussing it. Noone here is changing their stance and everyone believes what they want, so in all reality it makes no difference. :wave:

 

[headhoncho34]

And I agree with you that you definitely have to maintain the "show". Hence I have a FIX ME Yeti icon next to my name. The thing I find frustrating on this board is that most posters are never satisfied. We hear constantly how the special effects on Everest don't work, but then all of a sudden they are up and running again, then down, then up. Im sure Disney, like all of us would like to just have them up and running 100% all the time so they could stop having to shell out cash to fix it, but that tells me that they are concerned with the maintenance. Other things like the Yeti and the second waterfall are things I assume are going to be larger projects and not overnight fixes, so I understand that they will work on these when its feasible to close the parks main attraction for an extended period of time. And then theres other things that maybe just didn't work out effects wise once they were in the real world, like the mist spraying on the tracks in the caves, but people will harp on the fact that it doesn't work for years to come.

As far as cleanliness, I don't see how people can even complain. The Disney parks are still by far the cleanest parks in the world. Very rarely do I ever notice anything dirty in the parks, and if I do see something its usually at the resorts. And as far as painting, I think things look great. AK and the Studios look great, Epcot had painting in Future World done just last year and now the MK is getting completely repainted.

I feel like Im on a message board with a bunch of teens who think its the cool thing to say that "TDO SUCKS".

Im a grown man in my late 30s, and i was stating that TDO has been a problem for the parks since the mid 90s.

 

[SeaCastle]

Disneyland is miles better than it was under Cynthia Harriss. I'm not sure I'd say the same about WDW. Regardless, both resorts are also miles away from where they were circa 1989.

I will agree with you there. With the economy clearing out the positions filled out by Pressler's and Harriss's cronies, Disneyland has really gotten its act together. I love following Disneyland Project Trackers now just because there's so many improvements going on there.

Also, check out Passport2Dreams to see how Magic Kingdom's maintenance has improved. The author does a great job of analyzing design elements of the Magic Kingdom and EPCOT. While you're there, check out the Half-Year Report as well.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Per Jim Hill on this week's episode of the WDW Fan Boys Podcast:

The building has been prepped for this coaster. Walls have been labeled for demolition, and parts of the floor have been spray painted for track placement.

He speculated much like the original poster of this thread, that given Lasseter's penchant for syncing things like this with a movie opening, it is quite likely that this will be the next significant project that is announced, and a 2012-2013 opening date is not out of the question.

 

[misterID]

People don't drop $3 grand on a vacation because an attraction they've ridden before got a fancy refurb. Families do not make decisions like that. The decision is based on whether or not the trip can be afforded, when is everyone in available to go and do we really want to spend a week in Disney for this vacation. I will grant you that it can't hurt anyones decision but one 10 minute experience in a week long vacation is not a driving force behind why people go to WDW.

What are you talking about??? Where did I say anything like that? What are you even debating? The "people" who would go don't have to be from out of town or tourist. Matter of fact, the POTC refurb would have brought even more locals in, not to mention SM.

To say the big refurbs SM and POTC were supposed to get would have done nothing for attendance is ridiculous.

 

[plutoismyhero]

What are you talking about??? Where did I say anything like that? What are you even debating? The "people" who would go don't have to be from out of town or tourist. Matter of fact, the POTC refurb would have brought even more locals in, not to mention SM.

To say the big refurbs SM and POTC were supposed to get would have done nothing for attendance is ridiculous.

SO how about that monsters inc coaster huh?????:lookaroun:lookaroun
did they really start prep that would be awesome il try find out when i go down at the end of the week

 

[headhoncho34]

SO how about that monsters inc coaster huh?????:lookaroun:lookaroun
did they really start prep that would be awesome il try find out when i go down at the end of the week

Yes the project has already been greenlighted and they already have marks in the studio for demolishion and floorwork. A 2012 or early 2013 opening date is reasonable from this day on.

 

[plutoismyhero]

Yes the project has already been greenlighted and they already have marks in the studio for demolishion and floorwork. A 2012 or early 2013 opening date is reasonable from this day on.

Really when did it get greenlighted? I had no clue lol i need to come around more.

 

[JimJam]

I have HEARD that in the space next to the backlot tour, by the monsters inc meet and greet... the coaster is already being built??????????

 

[Krack]

When Jim Hill says something is getting built, it's like the kiss of death. It's probably getting built in Night Kingdom, in the Beastly Kingdom land, next to Fire Mountain.

 

[misterID]

Hasn't that area been prepped for a while now? Be cool if its true.

 

[HMF]

Agreed.

But not only that though, I think the teams at all the Disney parks have way too much creative and financial power. The main decisions for the parks should be comming from Burbank/Glendale while the teams focus on basic issues concerning the parks.

Agreed.

 

[RSoxNo1]

When Jim Hill says something is getting built, it's like the kiss of death. It's probably getting built in Night Kingdom, in the Beastly Kingdom land, next to Fire Mountain.

As far as I know, Night Kingdom was the only one of those stories that he broke, and there certainly was truth to that. In our discussion with him last week he brought up the point that the online community tends to deal in absolutes. All of those concepts were being thrown around the Disney offices at some point, but in reality until earth starts to move nothing is official, and even then it's no guarantee.

Jim did not say that Monster's Inc has been green lit on our show. What he did say was that the building has had a significant amount of prep work done on it. The project was put on hold because of the economy (as many on here have speculated), and it is probably not long before it's given the go.

He then speculated that because of the Monster's Inc 2 announcement, it is likely that the Monsters Inc Coaster will open within a year of the movie opening in theaters.

 

[Krack]

Jim Hill is either a tool of WDI or a useful idiot; either way, he's being used by them whenever he gives inside information. Typically, he gets info so that WDI can gain traction amongst the Disney Diehards on some issue. Sometimes they want to suppress the anger of a bad decision ("Don't worry about the Adventurer's Club being shut down, WDI is building a bigger more elaborate one at Night Kingdom"). Sometimes they want to restore their image and take the pressure off themselves ("Don't blame WDI - Star Tours 2.0 was going to be the greatest thing since slice bread, but the Parks cut funding in the final stages"). Sometimes it's to get momentum for a project that one of his WDI buddies was involved in that it is fairly clear management has decided to pass on ("You have to hear about this greatest, most unbelievable, most wonderful attraction ever designed that could get built if X, Y or Z happens ...) - imo, that's where the MI Coaster is.

Hill has never, ever criticized WDI. He has never said "You have to hear this terrible idea WDI had - thank god it never got funding" or "You know all that money they spent building X? It's really not any good." He's a schill and way more than 50% of the time, what he's schilling never materializes the way he describes it.

And don't even get me started on the films division - he's must have a best friend that works there because every film Disney has ever made is "the bestest, greatest, most incredible film ever made in the history of the company and will make eleventy billion dollars in it's first week and become the company's next franchise". And heaven forbid they make a real clunker, he runs damage control as soon as they realize the movie is not going to perform (see Princess and the Frog).

You can't even say he loves Blue Sky projects because I'm not sure the sky is blue in his world.

 

[wm49rs]

Jim Hill is either a tool of WDI or a useful idiot; either way, he's being used by them whenever he gives inside information. Typically, he gets info so that WDI can gain traction amongst the Disney Diehards on some issue. Sometimes they want to suppress the anger of a bad decision ("Don't worry about the Adventurer's Club being shut down, WDI is building a bigger more elaborate one at Night Kingdom"). Sometimes they want to restore their image and take the pressure off themselves ("Don't blame WDI - Star Tours 2.0 was going to be the greatest thing since slice bread, but the Parks cut funding in the final stages"). Sometimes it's to get momentum for a project that one of his WDI buddies was involved in that it is fairly clear management has decided to pass on ("You have to hear about this greatest, most unbelievable, most wonderful attraction ever designed that could get built if X, Y or Z happens ...) - imo, that's where the MI Coaster is.

Hill has never, ever criticized WDI. He has never said "You have to hear this terrible idea WDI had - thank god it never got funding" or "You know all that money they spent building X? It's really not any good." He's a schill and way more than 50% of the time, what he's schilling never materializes the way he describes it.

And don't even get me started on the films division - he's must have a best friend that works there because every film Disney has ever made is "the bestest, greatest, most incredible film ever made in the history of the company and will make eleventy billion dollars in it's first week and become the company's next franchise". And heaven forbid they make a real clunker, he runs damage control as soon as they realize the movie is not going to perform (see Princess and the Frog).

You can't even say he loves Blue Sky projects because I'm not sure the sky is blue in his world.

I guess you missed Hill's comments about people online dealing in absolutes.....

 

[Krack]

I guess you missed Hill's comments about people online dealing in absolutes.....

I thought I gave two possibilities right in my first sentence? ... he's either (a) a direct tool of WDI, or (b) a useful idiot.

Listen, there's a sizable portion of WDI that hates hardcore Disney fans (in general) and the online community (specifically) and Jim is their mouthpiece.

 

[wm49rs]

I thought I gave two possibilities right in my first sentence? ... he's either (a) a direct tool of WDI, or (b) a useful idiot.

Listen, there's a sizable portion of WDI that hates hardcore Disney fans (in general) and the online community (specifically) and Jim is their mouthpiece.

Again, nothing but subjective absolutes. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.....