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Marvel Studios’ Thunderbolts*
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MarvelCharacterNerd
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This just looks so damn great. I can't wait for it.
TalkingHead
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Clearly grasping at straws but maybe they’ll sell some tix to Letterboxd people who wouldn’t have otherwise gone
Casper Gutman
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In no way, shape, or form is this “grasping at straws.” It’s Marvel having fun with the monotonous, continuous criticisms of their filmmaking with a very funny ad. “Desperate” Marvel was the campaign for The Marvels. This makes the studio seem witty and confident.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Yeah I thought that ad was hilarious. And unexpected. And them finally not taking themselves so seriously and remembering how to have some fun. I'm really hoping this movie gets love as a dark horse. But I can already tell *I'm* gonna love it. And I haven't felt that way in a long time. So IYKYK and this is funny. 
Prince-1
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You pretty much described The Guardians of Galaxy and that did pretty well dontcha think.
Looks like your magic eight ball
might be wrong again. Kind of like when you predicted that Sonic 3 would make more money than Mufasa.
TalkingHead
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Significant differences.
Guardians 1 was made when MCU was still on the upswing and the franchise was gaining popularity each year.
Plus it had a quirky, soundtrack-heavy gimmick that made it feel unique and new.
And it had a director who was allowed to pursue his distinctive vision that felt irreverent and fresh.
Selling this movie as “same editor as Minari” is just, like, what are you doing?
Prince-1
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Another winning post you worked hard on TH. I wouldn’t say a lot of what you wrote made sense or was relevant but I love that you keep on being you. Now on to the rebuttal….
Yes obviously the MCU was in a different place when Guardians came out. Very perceptive of you to figure it out on your own.
Quirky soundtrack?? Yes that drove the masses in to see it.
As for the director, I am sure you are such an insider that you know that the Thunderbolts* director had no input in the film and was just a yes man. Now if you want to say that Gunn is a better director than Jake Schreier I would probably agree with you but your point is just made up nonsense.
Minari? I’m sure that comment made sense in your head. But probably not.
Now, it seemed like you worked hard coming up with some really brilliant points so let’s go back to Mad Mickey’s post and break it down:
Unknown characters: no doubt about it but more people know the characters from Thunderbolts* than they did in Guardians
No big name stars: tie in my book. Pratt was not a huge star movie star when Guardians came out.
Brand damage from past bombs: Mickey got one right even though this point is slowly fading away.
a Wait for D+ mentality: no D+ back when Guardians came out so who cares.
and an Unknown Villain: almost every MCU had an unknown villian. Mickey doesn’t get points for this nugget of an observation.
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Screamface
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Guardians 1 was the next release after Captain America: Winter Soldier. There's some context with the current state of MCU releases.
I'm going to see Thunderbolts in theatres, I look forward to it but I didn't remember who the villain from Antman 2 was. I think the film will probably do alright but the good will towards MCU theatrical releases is not the same as 2014. Even accounting for phase 2 having Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World before Winter Soldier. Although I personally liked IM3 but I gather I'm an outsider on that.
I'm going to see Thunderbolts in theatres, I look forward to it but I didn't remember who the villain from Antman 2 was. I think the film will probably do alright but the good will towards MCU theatrical releases is not the same as 2014. Even accounting for phase 2 having Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World before Winter Soldier. Although I personally liked IM3 but I gather I'm an outsider on that.
TalkingHead
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Rebuttal is tldr. Congrats if that was good; sorry if it was bad.
LSLS
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Guardians was released at a time when prices were lower (both tickets and concessions), people were more into the MCU, and a lot more people went to the movies. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the same circumstances from 2014 in creating a new MCU movie don't apply to today. NOW, I'm not willing to say this is a flop (this is one of the first I've been excited for since maybe Dr. Strange Multiverse and Spiderman), but I don't think the comparisons to Guardians is fair at this point either. The MCU just hasn't built up to anything in the first 1.5 phases after End Game, so it's momentum isn't there.
vikescaper
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At this point, how do you know how it is going to at the box office? Honestly, it sounds like you have already written off the movie even though it hasn’t released.
Prince-1
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He does this for every Marvel/Pixar/Disney film. Trolls gotta be trolling.
Hawkeye_2018
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IMO, I think they should drop Captain America 4 to Dis+ right before this releases in theaters. More people will go to the theater to watch this if they feel like they are "caught up".
MarvelCharacterNerd
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This is a major pet peeve and at least part of the reason I wait for every film to drop on Disney+. If I can't be caught up before the occasional one I might be willing to pay to see in a theater, then they all will wait.
It's gonna be a long wait for Thunderbolts, but I'm more genuinely excited for this than anything since MoM and NWH. I was mostly worried about Guardians 3 having a sad ending but I think it turned out to be my fave of the 3 - but I'm a sucker for Rocket.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
In this case though I really don't think any of the events of Cap4 (at least not in a major sense) is going to be required for Thunderbolts. Even if I would say watch it anyways just because its a good watch in my opinion, but I don't think you're going to miss out if you decide to go see Thunderbolts in theaters without seeing Cap4 first.
LSLS
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It may not. But as a non-comic fan who watches the MCU, I'd assume there's a lot of overlap. Not going into the Cap 4 spoilers as to why, but I always assumed Ross has to have something to do with the Thunderbolts with his name. NOW, I've been told that is wrong, and they were around before he came into the picture. But I can see most casual fans assuming the same thing I did, and if you aren't on forums like this or have a big comic fan friend, you may not know it.
Phroobar
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What exactly is the story we need to be "caught up" on?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Except you're assuming that "casual" fans are actually going to know that Ross' nickname is Thunderbolt. Outside of a few minor appearances he hasn't even been a major part of the MCU. So unless they were paying attention to everything, meaning they aren't just a "casual" fan, or already saw Cap4, they likely won't even remember that little detail which isn't really mentioned much in the MCU in the first place.
Agent H
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He’s Captain America whether you like it or not.
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