Marvel Studios’ Thunderbolts*

erasure fan1

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This has some good potential. My only concern is this will come off as fairly "D+ homework heavy" and that hasn't been great for marvel in the past. It looks like it could be really cool so maybe it will trigger some to go back and do that homework.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
This has some good potential. My only concern is this will come off as fairly "D+ homework heavy" and that hasn't been great for marvel in the past. It looks like it could be really cool so maybe it will trigger some to go back and do that homework.
Really other than knowing the characters from the past movies and the one D+ show (specifically Ant-Man and the Wasp, Blackwidow, and Falcon and Winter Solider), something that the MCU has always done, I don't think this is going to require a lot of "homework" to understand the premise. Sure, as has been the case with almost the entire MCU history, knowing what happened in those will help with some of the backstory, but I think the premise becomes really easy to understand.
 

Phroobar

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This has some good potential. My only concern is this will come off as fairly "D+ homework heavy" and that hasn't been great for marvel in the past. It looks like it could be really cool so maybe it will trigger some to go back and do that homework.
Black Widow and the shows weren't that great. This isn't high on my movie theater list to see. I guess we have to clear the lines before the good stuff come out.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Really other than knowing the characters from the past movies and the one D+ show (specifically Ant-Man and the Wasp, Blackwidow, and Falcon and Winter Solider), something that the MCU has always done, I don't think this is going to require a lot of "homework" to understand the premise.
I'd put Hawkeye in there as well. That's 2 shows and 2 films, one film was a very long time ago and the other was released on D+.
Sure, as has been the case with almost the entire MCU history, knowing what happened in those will help with some of the backstory, but I think the premise becomes really easy to understand.
Most of the infinity saga worked as stand alone films. Obviously the avengers movies need some homework. But even then, most fans had seen the main characters leading up to those movies. It was a time when people gave marvel the benefit of the doubt. I don't think that's the case here. I'm not saying it will be a problem, I'm saying it could be a problem. How did the marvels work out again? We'll see what happens with Agatha but it doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire either.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I'd put Hawkeye in there as well. That's 2 shows and 2 films, one film was a very long time ago and the other was released on D+.
I don't know how much Hawkeye will play into this because that was more about Kate Bishop and setting up Young Avengers then it was about Yelena and setting up Thunderbolts. So I think most if not all of that can be skipped and you'd still be fine.

And if you want to get real technical, its one movie and one show, because I think most if not all of Ant-man and the Wasp could be skipped too and you wouldn't be lost. So its really just Blackwidow and Falcon and Winter Soldier, that is the core of all the "homework" anyone would need to do if they really wanted all the backstory and the major character introductions.

But again I think most can go into this without knowing anything and still understand the premise, bunch of "bad guys" comes together to fight worse guys, they literally set it up in the trailer with one tag line.

Most of the infinity saga worked as stand alone films. Obviously the avengers movies need some homework. But even then, most fans had seen the main characters leading up to those movies. It was a time when people gave marvel the benefit of the doubt. I don't think that's the case here. I'm not saying it will be a problem, I'm saying it could be a problem. How did the marvels work out again? We'll see what happens with Agatha but it doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire either.
The MCU took 11 years and 23 movies for the Infinity Saga, many of which were directly interconnected if not indirectly interconnected. Yes many could have acted as stand-alone films, but that still doesn't preclude that they were still interconnected, which was the whole point of the MCU in the first place.

We'll see how this goes, but I don't think you're going to see a bunch of people lost not knowing what is happening if they didn't do "homework".
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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The more I see of this, the more fun it looks. Loved the trailer.

Granted, I think Black Widow is an unappreciated comedy gem. Or maybe just David Harbour in that film/role. I could watch two hours of Alexei and never stop laughing. Love him.

My hopes continue to dim for anything more than a cameo at this point, but still needs more Zemo. :D

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Disney Irish

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The more I see of this, the more fun it looks. Loved the trailer.

Granted, I think Black Widow is an unappreciated comedy gem. Or maybe just David Harbour in that film/role. I could watch two hours of Alexei and never stop laughing. Love him.

My hopes continue to dim for anything more than a cameo at this point, but still needs more Zemo. :D

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erasure fan1

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We'll see how this goes, but I don't think you're going to see a bunch of people lost not knowing what is happening if they didn't do "homework".
The question is not will they be lost, the question is will they go in the first place. People were invested heavily in the infinity saga, not so much with the multiverse saga. So will people show up for Bucky? They might, I love the character. If the perception is, who are these characters and why should I care, then it might be an issue. If the movie jumps out with fantastic reviews, it won't really matter. The marvels bombed opening week and the fact it wasn't a quality movie didn't help. I do think if it was just Captain marvel 2, it does better, even with similar quality.

Putting 2 D+ characters front and center hurt it for sure, I heard that A LOT with people I know. And based on how it did, I don't think I'm the only one who saw that. Especially with the engagement during this post endgame run. Trust me, I want this to do well. I love Bucky, Yelena and Red guardian were great. So I've got high hopes.
 

Disney Irish

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The question is not will they be lost, the question is will they go in the first place. People were invested heavily in the infinity saga, not so much with the multiverse saga. So will people show up for Bucky? They might, I love the character. If the perception is, who are these characters and why should I care, then it might be an issue. If the movie jumps out with fantastic reviews, it won't really matter. The marvels bombed opening week and the fact it wasn't a quality movie didn't help. I do think if it was just Captain marvel 2, it does better, even with similar quality.

Putting 2 D+ characters front and center hurt it for sure, I heard that A LOT with people I know. And based on how it did, I don't think I'm the only one who saw that. Especially with the engagement during this post endgame run. Trust me, I want this to do well. I love Bucky, Yelena and Red guardian were great. So I've got high hopes.
Well this question you have will be answered soon enough. However since this is one of the two MCU movies in 2025 not dealing with the Multiverse and also a team up movie I have a feeling it'll do better then you think.

Also you really are down on these D+ shows. The movie appears to be centering around Yelena and Bucky. So I don't think you really have to worry it'll be a repeat of The Marvels. Also now that its all said and done The Marvels actually was better received than what the box office showed. Once it hit digital and given a chance its audience scores rose overall.
 

erasure fan1

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However since this is one of the two MCU movies in 2025 not dealing with the Multiverse and also a team up movie I have a feeling it'll do better then you think.
Here's the thing, I didn't say it was going to do bad. I said, if it's going to have a stumbling block, it could be because of characters a lot of people don't really know. Appearing as homework.

There was two sides to what I said. One, I hope it does well and I thought it has a lot of potential and I really like a few of the characters. And two, I think if it does struggle, that could be because of a perception of homework. I'm not being negative at all to the film, or trying to bring it down. I think I have a pretty fair and balanced way of looking at it.
Also you really are down on these D+ shows.
Sort of. I don't think they've really done anything to really grab the attention of the avid marvel movie watcher. That's why I say, could be. I don't think any of the D+ marvel has been great. There's been some good, a bunch of average, and some really bad. Disney has struggled making a solid series. Even Mando had a struggle with consistency in season 3. Muppets mayhem was fantastic if you're a Muppets fan, but it didn't get the traffic. We all know how willow went. So all in all D+ tv has been a real mixed bag.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Here's the thing, I didn't say it was going to do bad. I said, if it's going to have a stumbling block, it could be because of characters a lot of people don't really know. Appearing as homework.

There was two sides to what I said. One, I hope it does well and I thought it has a lot of potential and I really like a few of the characters. And two, I think if it does struggle, that could be because of a perception of homework. I'm not being negative at all to the film, or trying to bring it down. I think I have a pretty fair and balanced way of looking at it.

Sort of. I don't think they've really done anything to really grab the attention of the avid marvel movie watcher. That's why I say, could be. I don't think any of the D+ marvel has been great. There's been some good, a bunch of average, and some really bad. Disney has struggled making a solid series. Even Mando had a struggle with consistency in season 3. Muppets mayhem was fantastic if you're a Muppets fan, but it didn't get the traffic. We all know how willow went. So all in all D+ tv has been a real mixed bag.
Sorry but I feel that outside of maybe Secret Invasion and She-Hulk (both of which I actually liked overall for what they tried to do) I think the Marvel D+ shows have been fairly good, and mostly well received. Wandavision and Loki for example were two of the top rated shows, even Ms. Marvel was well regarded. That may not be how you feel, but as they say "your mileage may vary". As far as the other D+ shows you brought up, they have no relevance here as I was only talking about you being down on the Marvel shows.

As for this movie, when you raise concerns such as "needing homework" and "people not so much invested in the Multiverse Saga", that comes across as rather negative toward its potential performance. So I'll just say I see that you want the movie to do well overall, but feel that your concerns don't currently seem to be warranted since there doesn't appear to be much "homework" or investment into the Multiverse story required.

The movie that your concerns would be warranted in my opinion is CA:Brave New World. As that may have people thinking they may need to do more "homework", though I think it'll end up doing better than expected. But this film, I'm not feeling your concerns at all so far from what I've seen of the trailer.
 

LSLS

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I'm excited for the movie, but that trailer did absolutely nothing for me. I can't really pinpoint it, but I never felt goosebumps or real excitement watching it. It feels like they are building Yelena to be the next MCU star which I really like, but that teaser just didn't make me feel like this is must watch at all.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I'm excited for the movie, but that trailer did absolutely nothing for me. I can't really pinpoint it, but I never felt goosebumps or real excitement watching it. It feels like they are building Yelena to be the next MCU star which I really like, but that teaser just didn't make me feel like this is must watch at all.
I think it we have no idea what is going on. They did show the bad guy but not in any final form or him doing anything. It is the assembling of the Dark Avengers team by Elaine. They are probably taking on Newman. Nothing feels epic like the first Avengers movie because everyone is c-list anti-hero.
 

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