MARVEL Mini-Land at EPCOT?

[EricsBiscuit]

I’m not necessarily in favor of it, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t forfeit those rights in order to replace their Marvel-based attractions with more relevant Universal properties, since they’re only allowed to use semi-outdated comic versions of the popular cinematic characters

A Uni IP more popular than Marvel?

 

[goofyyukyuk]

A Uni IP more popular than Marvel?

No, I don’t think there are many Universal IPs more popular than Marvel, but I think that a lot of people going to Universal are surprised that their Marvel attractions are different and unrelated to the movies, plus Universal has to pay royalties to Disney for using those comic IPs in their parks. So I think that eventually Universal will decide to get rid of their Marvel attractions in favor of using their own IP and keeping all of the profits as opposed to using outdated versions of popular characters and paying their biggest rivals a share of that profit.

 

[TwilightZone]

I desperately hope NOT. Instead, I hope that what Iger meant by a Space mini land, was that that side of Future World would be primarily devoted to Space (not Marvel) themes. So you would have SSE, Mission Space, GOTG, and the new Space themed restaurant. The outliers on that side would be WOL pavilion and Test Track.

I'm thinking that eventually test track will be rethemed again into something space related with no or minimal ties to the vehicle theming it has and wol already looks like a space dome, so it to would also become space themed. My thinking for wol is that it could become a new innoventions like attraction with many interactive space themed displays and some rides.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I’m not necessarily in favor of it, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t forfeit those rights in order to replace their Marvel-based attractions with more relevant Universal properties, since they’re only allowed to use semi-outdated comic versions of the popular cinematic characters

Nope. The current arrangement benefits everyone involved, and Universal is developing more Marvel attractions for IOA. Anyone who tells you otherwise is engaging in fanboi wishful thinking with no basis in reality.

 

[danlb_2000]

No, I don’t think there are many Universal IPs more popular than Marvel, but I think that a lot of people going to Universal are surprised that their Marvel attractions are different and unrelated to the movies, plus Universal has to pay royalties to Disney for using those comic IPs in their parks. So I think that eventually Universal will decide to get rid of their Marvel attractions in favor of using their own IP and keeping all of the profits as opposed to using outdated versions of popular characters and paying their biggest rivals a share of that profit.

The licensing fee that Universal pays can only be increased by the rate of inflation. The value of Marvel on the other hand has increased dramatically since Uni bought the rights, a time when Marvel was near bankruptcy. The result is that Uni is paying a bargain price for one of the most valuable IP's in existence today. Even if Marvel wasn't making money for Uni they would probably still hold on to the rights just to keep the characters out of WDW.

 

[goofyyukyuk]

The licensing fee that Universal pays can only be increased by the rate of inflation. The value of Marvel on the other hand has increased dramatically since Uni bought the rights, a time when Marvel was near bankruptcy. The result is that Uni is paying a bargain price for one of the most valuable IP's in existence today. Even if Marvel wasn't making money for Uni they would probably still hold on to the rights just to keep the characters out of WDW.

Oh okay, I didn’t realize that. I suppose that it would make sense for them to keep the properties to limit WDW’s use of them. On the bright side, there’s multiple other Disney theme parks that can use them!

 

[JEANYLASER]

Epcot! needs to be loved, needed and Wanted. Because Epcot needs more new attractions. Like Guardians of the Galaxy. I think that something in Epcot wanted to be Loved, Needed and Wanted new Attractions in the Former Wonder of life and new shops and new dining experiences. Epcot will be Loved and needed and wanted always!

 

[marni1971]

I’m not necessarily in favor of it, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t forfeit those rights in order to replace their Marvel-based attractions with more relevant Universal properties, since they’re only allowed to use semi-outdated comic versions of the popular cinematic characters

The deal works in Comcast’s and IOAs favour very well. Or it’d have gone years ago.

Most guests don’t care. Apparently.

 

[drod1985]

Universal is developing more Marvel attractions for IOA.

Source? I was under the impression Marvel had to approve everything Universal/IOA does with their characters. If that’s true then I’d imagine they wouldn’t approve changing much to make retaining those properties less attractive.

 

[danlb_2000]

Source? I was under the impression Marvel had to approve everything Universal/IOA does with their characters. If that’s true then I’d imagine they wouldn’t approve changing much to make retaining those properties less attractive.

The contract puts very narrow restrictions on the criteria Marvel can use to deny something.

 

[celluloid]

Source? I was under the impression Marvel had to approve everything Universal/IOA does with their characters. If that’s true then I’d imagine they wouldn’t approve changing much to make retaining those properties less attractive.

Per the contract, Disney can't do that as it could violate good faith contracts. Universal just recently updated the two E-tickets of that area(island) being The Incredible Hulk Coaster and The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman. In a nutshell, DIsney can only say no if it is hurting the brand and prove why.

Disney in terms of big potatoes gets coin from merch and popularity, Univeral in terms of Parks and Resorts has an amazing IP that they get to keep popularity on at the resort.

 

[huwar18]

Per the contract, Disney can't do that as it could violate good faith contracts. Universal just recently updated the two E-tickets of that area(island) being The Incredible Hulk Coaster and The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman. In a nutshell, DIsney can only say no if it is hurting the brand and prove why.

Disney in terms of big potatoes gets coin from merch and popularity, Univeral in terms of Parks and Resorts has an amazing IP that they get to keep popularity on at the resort.

Honestly, Disney has it made with the deal. As long as Uni keeps that area of Islands updated and shiny, Disney is making money. It is a pretty good deal for Disney. They don't have to put time or money into making attractions and they are still collecting some income from it.

 

[pdude81]

The licensing fee that Universal pays can only be increased by the rate of inflation. The value of Marvel on the other hand has increased dramatically since Uni bought the rights, a time when Marvel was near bankruptcy. The result is that Uni is paying a bargain price for one of the most valuable IP's in existence today. Even if Marvel wasn't making money for Uni they would probably still hold on to the rights just to keep the characters out of WDW.

Spider man bumper cars ftw

 

[wdwfan4ver]

It’s a matter of when now. With Comcast stoking a bidding war with Disney over Fox, Bob doesn’t have a choice: it’s now or never for the Marvel characters.

I’m still of the opinion that Disney could leverage some sort of deal to bring the rights back home with Fox & Comcast over Sky.

Universal also doesn't have the motive to right now towards getting theme park Marvel rights for WDW due to their actions.

Universal updated two of its Marvel attractions this decade including the Incredible Hulk Rollercoaster in 2016. You do not do major updates to theme park attractions if you want to get a rid of the IP rights. The other thing is Universal started Marvel Character dinner on December 7th of last last year.

Universal wouldn't start Character meals in December last year if they wanted to sell the theme park rights.

Here is one of the sites that mentioned the Marvel Character Dining. https://www.insideuniversal.net/2017/12/marvel-character-dinner-coming-to-islands-of-adventure/

 

[marni1971]

Source? I was under the impression Marvel had to approve everything Universal/IOA does with their characters. If that’s true then I’d imagine they wouldn’t approve changing much to make retaining those properties less attractive.

You know about the IOA Iron Man coaster in slow development?

TWDC cannot act to make anything less attractive. Nor can they object to a new development without good reason.

Not happy about it is not good reason.

 

[Rk2k5]

I feel like if they did that they would have too much marvel

 

[deWild]

Universal also doesn't have the motive to right now towards getting theme park Marvel rights for WDW due to their actions.

Universal updated two of its Marvel attractions this decade including the Incredible Hulk Rollercoaster in 2016. You do not do major updates to theme park attractions if you want to get a rid of the IP rights. The other thing is Universal started Marvel Character dinner on December 7th of last last year.

Universal wouldn't start Character meals in December last year if they wanted to sell the theme park rights.

Here is one of the sites that mentioned the Marvel Character Dining. https://www.insideuniversal.net/2017/12/marvel-character-dinner-coming-to-islands-of-adventure/

I’m quite aware of the updates to Spider-Man and the Hulk coaster. I think they chose to update them for a handful of reasons, but should Disney gain the Sky acquisition from Fox they could use that as a bargaining chip to obtain the theme park rights from Comcast.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Disney can use Marvel at DLR and all they have is the re themed ToT. I know DCA is supposed to get a mini-Land but it’s taking a long time to develop it if they want the IP in the parks.

 

[Tim Lohr]

The biggest factor for something like this will be guest demand for the Marvel attractions Disney is building in California and the overseas parks. If people are really in love with the Marvel-lands at the other parks, but Universal's rights prevent Disney from building those same things in Florida, this won't be good for Universal from a public relations stand point, but it would make the rights more valuable... so eventually Universal will probably sell off Marvel to Disney in Florida, and then we could see more stupid Marvel crap at Epcot

 

[PizzaPlanet]

Source? I was under the impression Marvel had to approve everything Universal/IOA does with their characters. If that’s true then I’d imagine they wouldn’t approve changing much to make retaining those properties less attractive.

I think that would only be necessary if they were to use the MCU versions of the characters, which would require working with Marvel Studios.

You know about the IOA Iron Man coaster in slow development?

It seems like everything is in slow development. It's about time they break ground on Nintendo land.