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Magic Kingdom Tree Massacre

WDW1974

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Dj Corona said:
No offense, but this thread is really starting to border on "asinine"...This many pages on a thread that started out about landscaping?....Really? And to turn it into something pseudo-political? In all seriousness people, let's take it down a notch, (or several!) It is what it is, and I know this may sound crazy, enjoy the parks for what they are, and sometimes as hard it may be, let's all try not to point out every little thing that's wrong with them sometimes....Yes, there are flaws, as many us on these boards know, and to one extent or another, they have all been beat to death (see Master Yoda, post #14) I could go on, but in all honesty, do any of these seemingly small things Really screw up your visit to the World that badly? Is the fact that you can see one section of the park from another or the Contemporary in the background going to ruin yours or your entire familys' trip? I personally, would not hope so, but then again, that's just maybe me. (Sorry for the rant)
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Just landscaping ... just (fill in the blank) ... pretty soon you have a whole lot lesser experience.

Randy quoted the Imagineering greats and Walt himself when 'splaining why the wholesale massacre of trees isn't a good thing.

You don't care, so move along ... maybe you could tell us who your fave character is!:xmas:
 
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disneysroyal411

New Member
Though I've never been to Disney when true shrubbery/greenery existed. I miss it. I don't know how, but I do. Disney is trying to be all about helping the world. Watch Disney channel, they pressure kids into making a change, yet Disney when are you gonna make the true change. Truthfully I shouldn't be judging because I don't know to well if they actually are trying to make a change or not, but it sure isn't in the plant life, and even I who hasn't seen recent photos of Disney or been updated with it lately could tell you that. (I only know this from a few amount of recent photo's I have seen). I would like to see Disney with the greenery but all they're doing is turning their environment into one of Fahrenheit 451 They're cramming people with facts and don't stop them from moving. They do this by putting up signs in and out of parks and in the busses and monorails and even in outside Disney. Now this isn't friendly advertisement. This is advertisement that is colorful and enticing. They lure you in by say, showing you an advertisement for Expedition Everest on your way to the Magic Kingdom, making you want to go Animal Kingdom the next day. With the greenery gone you are able to see other lands which cause you to want to go there or there or there. Keep you moving so you don't hold things up. Well this works but what if you want to rest. Your body tells you "Yes, rest!" but your brain tells you "Look over there Space Mountain, you can wait in line and rest" but you actually can't because they keep you moving at a slow rate where it doesn't give you time to sit but you get sore because you aren't walking fast enough.
 
EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
WDW1974 said:
Just landscaping ... just (fill in the blank) ... pretty soon you have a whole lot lesser experience.

Randy quoted the Imagineering greats and Walt himself when 'splaining why the wholesale massacre of trees isn't a good thing.

You don't care, so move along ... maybe you could tell us who your fave character is!:xmas:
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WDW1974 said:
Blech.

nicest thing I can say ... :xmas:
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You know that we usually see eye to eye on most issues, especially ones that involve the cutting of quality and the dumbing down of the product. Much like the trees around the REST of the MK. However, as you know, the Hub cuts were done for a REASON, and for a show. How is that bad? It's opening up sightlines so more people can see the fireworks at night...how is that a bad thing? It's Machiavellian in a way. The end, though a lesser "day" experience trade off for the "night" experience. You can't have it both ways...
 
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CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
EPCOT Explorer said:
:lol:

You know that we usually see eye to eye on most issues, especially ones that involve the cutting of quality and the dumbing down of the product. Much like the trees around the REST of the MK. However, as you know, the Hub cuts were done for a REASON, and for a show. How is that bad? It's opening up sightlines so more people can see the fireworks at night...how is that a bad thing? It's Machiavellian in a way. The end, though a lesser "day" experience trade off for the "night" experience. You can't have it both ways...
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I agree, and I totally think they should tear down that castle because it blocks the fireworks when viewed from the hub. BAD SHOW DIZZY!

:xmas:
 
DisneyParksFan1

DisneyParksFan1

Active Member
I miss all the greenery but if they don't want to ruin the show elements of fireworks and parades than okay tear down the trees around the hub area, but why tear down the trees that were near the castle lagoon, where the sea monster is now. Those served as great ways to block sight of the lands around the hub, now you can see TL from Liberty Square.
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
EPCOT Explorer said:
:lol:

You know that we usually see eye to eye on most issues, especially ones that involve the cutting of quality and the dumbing down of the product. Much like the trees around the REST of the MK. However, as you know, the Hub cuts were done for a REASON, and for a show. How is that bad? It's opening up sightlines so more people can see the fireworks at night...how is that a bad thing? It's Machiavellian in a way. The end, though a lesser "day" experience trade off for the "night" experience. You can't have it both ways...
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Sorry, Explorer, but if the only way to make Wishes visible to enough folks was to completely destroy the Hub, massacre the trees, make the park look like a vast concrete jungle, make it very easy to see from land to land in ways not intended ... well, than as much as I enjoy Steve Davison's work (although Wishes is just about my least favorite thing he's done) other decisions should have been made.

The MK was vastly changed by removing the greenery and changing the Hub from a tree-filled oasis that was elevated to just more concrete with a few seedlings.

Ultimately, Wishes is simply a show and one that is very replacable and will likely be at some point ... you don't change a whole park's feel in such a negative way ... and shade is more important to many folks that prime pyro viewing ... for such a temporary reason.

It's overreaction to the nth degree ... akin to killing your dog because he/she has a broken leg and will be tougher to care for for a few months.

Dumb. :xmas:
 
Mr.EPCOT

Mr.EPCOT

Active Member
EPCOT Explorer said:
:lol:

You know that we usually see eye to eye on most issues, especially ones that involve the cutting of quality and the dumbing down of the product. Much like the trees around the REST of the MK. However, as you know, the Hub cuts were done for a REASON, and for a show. How is that bad? It's opening up sightlines so more people can see the fireworks at night...how is that a bad thing? It's Machiavellian in a way. The end, though a lesser "day" experience trade off for the "night" experience. You can't have it both ways...
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Sorry, but you don't change a functional visual device serving the fundamental, permanent layout and design of the park to accommodate a temporary, interchangeable show. You don't sacrifice the full-time look of the park to help a very few people see every single fireworks shell over the course of just a few minutes. Besides, if you're stupid enough to stand under a tree during a fireworks show, then you probably don't deserve to see it all, anyways.

And did you ever stop to think that the trees would also be a great device to enhance the shows, with todays amazing lighting technology?
 
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CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
EPCOT Explorer said:
Agreed. The whole place should be flat, and everything should be projected.:wave::lookaroun
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They really should level Main Street to increase the amount of space available on the street to watch it. My family of 8, each in our own ECV have a hard time finding a good spot. And those bratty CP kids are no help. I don't know why Disney hires them:mad:
 
steve2wdw

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
Just found this picture taken in March, 1981. I took the shot from the middle of the hub. If I took this picture today, the Partners statue would be blocking this view. Note the trees flanking the entrance to the inner hub. From this angle, the MK Main Street looks as intimate as DL's. I miss the shade and the seating, but understand sightline problems. Ahhh...the WDW of olde.
 

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EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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Mr.EPCOT said:
Sorry, but you don't change a functional visual device serving the fundamental, permanent layout and design of the park to accommodate a temporary, interchangeable show. You don't sacrifice the full-time look of the park to help a very few people see every single fireworks shell over the course of just a few minutes. Besides, if you're stupid enough to stand under a tree during a fireworks show, then you probably don't deserve to see it all, anyways.

And did you ever stop to think that the trees would also be a great device to enhance the shows, with todays amazing lighting technology?[/size][/font]
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Do tell.:rolleyes:


Besides, in regards to the rest of your post, it appears that they already did, seeing that Wishes is something of great capacity and it is helping the flow of guests. Alterations to a park happen. Not all of them are good ones, look at EPCOT. However, some are necessary for a better, park experience. It seems that viewing Wishes from a much wider area adds to that.
 
steve2wdw

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
Two more from March '81 featuring a VERY green and shady Town Square. IMO there was no need to remove these trees.
 

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unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
EPCOT Explorer said:
Also for sightlines, and Wishes viewings.


But, I agree, these could have been spared. They look nice, although they do block the Castle...Which IS a problem.
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Then move. :shrug:

Why compromise the look of the park as a whole to appease a few people who didn't have the forethought (or afterthought) to find a better spot to see a few fireworks and color changing lights projected on a fiberglass castle.
 

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