Magic Kingdom Tree Massacre

[SirGoofy]

They look nice, although they do block the Castle...Which IS a problem.

No, they aren't a problem there. You catch a glimpse of the castle through them, beckoning you towards it. Perfect example of a weenie.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Then move. :shrug:

Why compromise the look of the park as a whole to appease a few people who didn't have the forethought (or afterthought) to find a better spot to see a few fireworks and color changing lights projected on a fiberglass castle.

Show> Effeciency, I guess.

Now, while the "show" aspect of the trees is there, too, I think the spectacle of the Castle AND the Fireworks overtakes it.

 

[_Scar]

Then move. :shrug:

Why compromise the look of the park as a whole to appease a few people who didn't have the forethought (or afterthought) to find a better spot to see a few fireworks and color changing lights projected on a fiberglass castle.

Did those trees somehow make or break the park? Were they really that big of a deal? IMO, they look kinda awkward in between the castle when you look from the train station.

 

[unkadug]

Show> Effeciency, I guess.

Now, while the "show" aspect of the trees is there, too, I think the spectacle of the Castle AND the Fireworks overtakes it.

I disagree, I think the trees added to the atmosphere of the "show". It's kinda like going to the theater and the stage manager has taken down all the curtains and valances so as to not obscure the sight lines of the people on the top row of the balcony. Management would have a fit, as the customer should have bought a better ticket.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

Do tell.


Besides, in regards to the rest of your post, it appears that they already did, seeing that Wishes is something of great capacity and it is helping the flow of guests. Alterations to a park happen. Not all of them are good ones, look at EPCOT. However, some are necessary for a better, park experience. It seems that viewing Wishes from a much wider area adds to that.

The fireworks got along fine for 35 years with those trees there. And it's entirely possible that whatever the next version of the fireworks show is would not have been affected at all by the trees, as opposed to the extremely minimal effect they had on Wishes.

Castle stage shows don't matter, either. I've never seen a crowd for one of those that goes back past the Partners area.

Then move. :shrug:

Why compromise the look of the park as a whole to appease a few people who didn't have the forethought (or afterthought) to find a better spot to see a few fireworks and color changing lights projected on a fiberglass castle.

Precisely.

 

[unkadug]

Did those trees somehow make or break the park? Were they really that big of a deal? IMO, they look kinda awkward in between the castle when you look from the train station.

no, yes (they were quite magical and set a better atmosphere), and absolutely not. You would have to have seen it in person.

It's kinda hard to explain this to people who never saw the MK as it was originally intended.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I disagree, I think the trees added to the atmosphere of the "show". It's kinda like going to the theater and the stage manager has taken down all the curtains and valances so as to not obscure the sight lines of the people on the top row of the balcony. Management would have a fit, as the customer should have bought a better ticket.

I never denied that the trees helped with the atmosphere...It's just that they hindered the "bigger" show, and the actual show- Wishes.


Curtains and valances are supposed to be on a stage. :lol: Trees blocking your view of fireworks and the Castle as you enter the park? I don't think so. At the same time, the park SHOULD be green. As it is now. The manicured look of both plaza and hub suffices, for me.

 

[steve2wdw]

My feeling is that without older (bigger) trees, those areas almost feel "too new", like the park just opened. Bigger trees also make the park more intimate (more of a DL feel). As the scale of the MK is much bigger than that of its older sibling, the big trees helped bring the park down to a more personal scale. I think trees are really only an issue to those that remember them and those that have been to DL. Too me, the park feels almost overwhelming in size now. To DL-ers, the MK must feel industrial and soul-less compared to DL. Now in reverse, DL has let some of its greenery get too big. There are area's of the park, especially NOS, where trees have covered up all the great architecture. IMO, the MK needs to let things grow a little, while DL needs to do some pruning.

 

[_Scar]

no, yes (they were quite magical and set a better atmosphere), and absolutely not. You would have to have seen it in person.

It's kinda hard to explain this to people who never saw the MK as it was originally intended.

I've probably seen those trees before in MK. Obviously they didn't impact me because I didn't really go "Wow, these trees really make this atmosphere great".

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

The fireworks got along fine for 35 years with those trees there. And it's entirely possible that whatever the next version of the fireworks show is would not have been affected at all by the trees, as opposed to the extremely minimal effect they had on Wishes.

Castle stage shows don't matter, either. I've never seen a crowd for one of those that goes back past the Partners area.



Precisely.

Right, seeing that there was never a show with the FL Roof launches. The trees blocked the path of those entirely. The next version will have those, they are becoming the norm in Disney shows. The removal of the trees was for that, too, and a highly justifiable reason.

Castle Stage Shows!??!:brick: You are a CM, and I know for a fact that you've been at MK when it's crowded. In August, crowds were defiantly past Partners. Same for December...and that was a MVMCP night! I stood in one! :lol:

 

[Exprcoofto]

My feeling is that without older (bigger) trees, those areas almost feel "too new", like the park just opened. Bigger trees also make the park more intimate (more of a DL feel). As the scale of the MK is much bigger than that of its older sibling, the big trees helped bring the park down to a more personal scale. I think trees are really only an issue to those that remember them and those that have been to DL. Too me, the park feels almost overwhelming in size now. To DL-ers, the MK must feel industrial and soul-less compared to DL. Now in reverse, DL has let some of its greenery get too big. There are area's of the park, especially NOS, where trees have covered up all the great architecture. IMO, the MK needs to let things grow a little, while DL needs to do some pruning.

Not even DL-ers, just visiting DL then MK you can get that feeling.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I've probably seen those trees before in MK. Obviously they didn't impact me because I didn't really go "Wow, these trees really make this atmosphere great".

:lol:


They WERE nice, I remember them, and they do add a feel to the park. But when they block something as big as the Castle, and as big as the pyro show, I think the ends justify the means, here.


Machiavellian WDW.

 

[SirGoofy]

I've probably seen those trees before in MK. Obviously they didn't impact me because I didn't really go "Wow, these trees really make this atmosphere great".

It's more than just that area, it's the entire park.

My feeling is that without older (bigger) trees, those areas almost feel "too new", like the park just opened. Bigger trees also make the park more intimate (more of a DL feel). As the scale of the MK is much bigger than that of its older sibling, the big trees helped bring the park down to a more personal scale. I think trees are really only an issue to those that remember them and those that have been to DL. Too me, the park feels almost overwhelming in size now. To DL-ers, the MK must feel industrial and soul-less compared to DL. Now in reverse, DL has let some of its greenery get too big. There are area's of the park, especially NOS, where trees have covered up all the great architecture. IMO, the MK needs to let things grow a little, while DL needs to do some pruning.

Bingo! MK feels so sterile, so industrial!

:sohappy:

 

[SirGoofy]

:lol:


They WERE nice, I remember them, and they do add a feel to the park. But when they block something as big as the Castle, and as big as the pyro show, I think the ends justify the means, here.


Machiavellian WDW.

The trees in town square maybe blocked the fireworks for a very small amount of people. The park is too barren. It needs more trees.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

It's more than just that area, it's the entire park.



Bingo! MK feels so sterile, so industrial!

:sohappy:

Agreed. IN general, the park does need more trees, but I was pleased with the amount of greenery I saw in December, especially in ALand, FLWest and Liberty Square.


The rest? Help!

 

[steve2wdw]

I should say that what I miss in shade and asthetics, is surely made up in comfort. Having been to DL to see Remember Dreams Come True, I really noticed how cramped and uncomfortable the hub was to view the fireworks, whereas the MK has so much more leg room. The hub at DL is like coach compared to the hub at MK which is first class.

 

[SirGoofy]

I was pleased with the amount of greenery I saw in December, especially in ALand, FLWest and Liberty Square.

The great side of the park.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

The trees in town square maybe blocked the fireworks for a very small amount of people. The park is too barren. It needs more trees.

I think the main reason for the removal of those centered around the fact that the Castle was blocked.

I don't think it was necessary, for the record.

 

[Exprcoofto]

Agreed. IN general, the park does need more trees, but I was pleased with the amount of greenery I saw in December, especially in ALand, FLWest and Liberty Square.


The rest? Help!

So you want more greenery in MSUSA? You're contradicting yourself. :lol:

 

[unkadug]

The bigger show is the park itself, not a fireworks show.

Why bastardize the bigger show for a temporary entertainment option that not everyone partakes in?