Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Disney Irish]

At most I'd say they don't understand the original characters but they are so divorced from them that I actually don't consider them remakes. Maleficent is basically a Frozen remake and Cruella just feels like a fanfic about the character, but neither felt like they had contempt for the originals and it feels like the only people who look forward to this film are people who don't like or don't care about the original, probably in order to defend Rachel Zegler's comments about it (I personally don't care, she's allowed to voice her opinions), but everything you hear about it, including plot details which I won't share because of spoilers, including some songs they are keeping and some they are dropping for being "offensive", I just gotta ask who's the target audience for it. If this story is so problematic why remake it in the first place only to change everything about it until it is unrecognizable but you still call it "Snow White" and you still call it a live action remake.

This movie is a mistake just like Pinocchio and I'm willing to bet that it will make less than The Little Mermaid.

Even the original is not the "original" as Disney took liberties with the story from the Grimm fairytale. This version is just another re-imagining of that same story, its no different than any of the other many retellings of the Snow story by MANY others.

I personally like the original just fine, and respect the history it has within the company, and I'm looking forward to this re-imagining of a classic fairytale.

One does not have to hate, have contempt for, or not respect the original in order to want to see or enjoy this new take on the classic story. One just has to be open minded and understand that stories get retold over and over and over in our society each with their own take on it.

 

[LittleBuford]

At most I'd say they don't understand the original characters but they are so divorced from them that I actually don't consider them remakes. Maleficent is basically a Frozen remake and Cruella just feels like a fanfic about the character, but neither felt like they had contempt for the originals and it feels like the only people who look forward to this film are people who don't like or don't care about the original, probably in order to defend Rachel Zegler's comments about it (I personally don't care, she's allowed to voice her opinions), but everything you hear about it, including plot details which I won't share because of spoilers, including some songs they are keeping and some they are dropping for being "offensive", I just gotta ask who's the target audience for it. If this story is so problematic why remake it in the first place only to change everything about it until it is unrecognizable but you still call it "Snow White" and you still call it a live action remake.

This movie is a mistake just like Pinocchio and I'm willing to bet that it will make less than The Little Mermaid.

I'm a huge fan of the original film, and I certainly wouldn't be interested in seeing this new version if I detected any contempt for it. Am I confident it's going to be any good? Truthfully, no, but that's less because it may stray from the source material than because I have found most of the remakes to be redundant (The Lion King being the worst offender). I would actually prefer something that, like Maleficent and Cruella, takes a very different approach relative to the original film. At least that would give it an original purpose.

As to the target audience, I imagine they're catering to the same audiences who went to see all the other remakes and reboots. I have no idea how it will fare, though I'd be surprised if it does especially well.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'm a huge fan of the original film, and I certainly wouldn't be interested in seeing this new version if I detected any contempt for it. Am I confident it's going to be any good? Truthfully, no, but that's less because it may stray from the source material than because I have found most of the remakes to be redundant (The Lion King being the worst offender). I would actually prefer something that, like Maleficent and Cruella, takes a very different approach relative to the original film. At least that would give it an original purpose.

As to the target audience, I imagine they're catering to the same audiences who went to see all the other remakes and reboots. I have no idea how it will fare, though I'd be surprised if it does especially well.

Disney seems to have created 3 types of remakes…

The true to the original retelling (Lion King, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast) are nearly identical to the original, generally not liked as much as the original, but have been cash cows.

The related story, it isn’t a retelling of the original but loosely based off the original (Cruella, Maleficent, etc), they have been generally well receive and are my favorites because they feel like new stories.

The last type is the loose retelling of the original story but changing it (Pinnochio, Peter Pan and Wendy, Dumbo, etc), these have been generally poorly received.

It’s surprising to me that Disney hasn’t noticed the trend, give us a generic remake and you typically make bank, give us a new story and you might not make money but you’ll make something rewatchable, give us a “different take” and you generally lose money and are quickly forgotten.

 

[LittleBuford]

Disney seems to have created 3 types of remakes…

The true to the original retelling (Lion King, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast) are nearly identical to the original, generally not liked as much as the original, but have been cash cows.

The related story, it isn’t a retelling of the original but loosely based off the original (Cruella, Maleficent, etc), they have been generally well receive and are my favorites because they feel like new stories.

The last type is the loose retelling of the original story but changing it (Pinnochio, Peter Pan and Wendy, Dumbo, etc), these have been generally poorly received.

It’s surprising to me that Disney hasn’t noticed the trend, give us a generic remake and you typically make bank, give us a new story and you might not make money but you’ll make something rewatchable, give us a “different take” and you generally lose money and are quickly forgotten.

My concern is that Snow White has been changed from the second category to the third (after those admittedly bad production pictures were leaked). Even if the first is the more lucrative approach, it's not one I myself favour.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

My concern is that Snow White has been changed from the second category to the third (after those admittedly bad production pictures were leaked). Even if the first is the more lucrative approach, it's not one I myself favour.

I think SW has been firmly in the third category since it was conceived, Mufasa seems like a second category film though and I can’t wait to see what they come with for that one.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think SW has been firmly in the third category since it was conceived

It didn’t seem that way when the dwarfs were (apparently) out of the picture. I suppose time will tell what sort of remake/reboot we’re getting!

 

[AdventureHasAName]

How long have you felt this way? I fall into most of those categories (although patriarchal seems weird) and I don’t think Disney hates me. Just the opposite.

I don't think Disney hates you. I think a very small powerful group of creatives (and a handful of executives who hired them) working for Disney hate you. And I have felt that way since 2017-ish. It was evident before then, but I only came to that conclusion around 2017.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

If you think Disney’s films no longer promote family values, you must not have watched any.

Let's discuss things I said, not things you wish I had said.

 

[LittleBuford]

How long have you felt this way? I fall into most of those categories (although patriarchal seems weird) and I don’t think Disney hates me. Just the opposite.

What makes the framing especially weird is that the biggest shift in Disney storytelling relative to these talking points surely came during the Renaissance, which is when we saw the emergence of strong female leads like Belle and Jasmine who loudly questioned the expectations of their patriarchal societies. Most recent Disney films have done little more than build timidly on this Renaissance legacy. Frozen and Moana went a bit further, but both preceded by a few years—and therefore escaped—the kind of ideological ire that is now so predictable. I’m convinced that Frozen would be accused of all sorts of things if it came out today.

 

[Chi84]

I don't think Disney hates you. I think a very small powerful group of creatives (and a handful of executives who hired them) working for Disney hate you. And I have felt that way since 2017-ish. It was evident before then, but I only came to that conclusion around 2017.

Why do you think that group hates me?

 

[LittleBuford]

Let's discuss things I said, not things you wish I had said.

You said Disney hates people with traditional family values. I naturally took that to mean that, in your view, they no longer make films that promote family values. Since I appear to have misunderstood you, could you please clarify what you were saying?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Why do you think that group hates me?

Social ideology.

 

[Chi84]

Social ideology.

Is their social ideology different from mine?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

You said Disney hates people with traditional family values.

I most certainly did not.

Since I appear to have misunderstood you, could you please clarify what you were saying?

I said there is a group of activist creatives inbeded in Disney who hate people with "traditional" family values (however they define it that day). They don't represent the entire company (although they are growing) and they don't affect every film (or tv show, or theme park attraction) the company produces. But when one or more of them is in control of a project, you can tell immediately; a lot of the time, they are delighted to tell you outright (this Snow White disaster, the Acolyte, etc).

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Is their social ideology different from mine?

If you fall into most of those categories ... and you said you do (I have no idea if they do or they don't because I know nothing about you other than what you volunteer) ... then yes, I assume it is.

 

[LittleBuford]

I said there is a group of activist creatives inbeded in Disney who hate people with "traditional" family values (however they define it that day). They don't represent the entire company (although they are growing) and they don't affect every film (or tv show, or theme park attraction) the company produces. But when one or more of them is in control of a project, you can tell immediately; a lot of the time, they are delighted to tell you outright (this Snow White disaster, the Acolyte, etc).

In what way does The Acolyte reveal the hand of a creative who hates people with "traditional" family values?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

In what way does The Acolyte reveal the hand of a creative who hates people with "traditional" family values?

The director has been very vocal about how "gay" (her word, not mine) it is. And the lead actress is clearly an activist. I haven't watched the show (and don't intend to; fool me twice, shame on me) - this has come directly from the individuals themselves in interviews and social media.

Lesbian Leslye Headland Brings a Queer Lens to Star Wars Franchise

She'll be serving as writer, executive producer, and showrunner of The Acolyte, a new series coming to Disney+ soon.

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"In the same way that the original Star Wars film, A New Hope, is about a young man living in Modesto, Calif., who doesn't want to take over his dad's hardware store... there's just no way that me being a queer woman is not going to be reflected in my work. I could try not to do it, but why would I? It just feels like a natural extension of what I do."

No matter what characters are in her stories, all of them are about being queer in some way. "I think that because storytelling, at its core, is always going to come down to either the personal or emotional through-line to your characters, your identity is important. And like I said, mine is just going to be in my work, whether I'm explicitly dealing with it or not, it's always going to be there."

 

[lazyboy97o]

Some social ideologies deserve scorn.

 

[LittleBuford]

The director has been very vocal about how "gay" (her word, not mine) it is.

It's not a dirty word. I'm gay. And my family values are fairly traditional.

I haven't watched the show (and don't intend to; fool me twice, shame on me)

The loudest pronouncements in these threads tend to come from those with the least experience of the things they're speaking about with such authority.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Some social ideologies deserve scorn.

Agreed.