Little Mermaid Track Layout (not a question)

[disneysroyal411]

In the comparison of the HM track to AUA is that in the HM graveyard scene, you are completely surrounded by set. In AUA's Under the Sea scene, you look at it at first and then enter it for a short time. I'm trying not to judge because I don't know how it will turn out, but I hope it feels longer then it is.

 

[sponono88]

From DCA's media event last Friday

InsideTheMagic — June 12, 2010 — At the Disneyland Resort "What's Next?" presentation on June 11, 2010, Imagineers revealed new details about the new upcoming dark ride, The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Adventure.

This video includes the voice of Scuttle as will be heard in the ride's animatronic, a peek at an "underwater" effect, and a preview of dancing turtles, fish and more.

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[Tigerace81]

Just checking, but is AUA still planned for DLP or was that project canceled with FLE? Looking around Wiki tonight on the ride pages for WDW and noticed alot of things like DLP getting AUA, which til then I had only heard was rumored for DLP until WDW was confirmed. And another Item I saw was Mickey and Minnies houses were to be relocated to mainstreet (which Im 99.9% certain thats false. Either way, I tookt he DLP stuff out on AUA and the crap about relocating the houses.

 

[MonsterManX]

Pooh in 1999 I believe was the last "classic" style dark ride with sets added at WDW but it wasnt "new" in that it replaced another (Mr Toad).

I so want an Aladdin Dark ride asap ...lol I wish.

 

[TP2000]

I watched several YouTube videos of Haunted Mansion ride-throughs. Interestingly, the Disneyland version differed by up to 20 seconds on some videos, which tells me there are/were different speeds used for the attraction in recent years (and not the "creep mode" thing they do when they load wheelchair parties). I deferred to the shortest video ride-through that was 6:40 minutes, although another one on the Holiday version pushed the 7:00 minute mark. The WDW version was consistent at right around 7:45 to 7:50. Using that info, and the track maps and ride vehicle count, here's what I believe we are looking at for Little Mermaid;

WDW The Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 160
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 146 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 7:50

Disneyland Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 131
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 113 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:40

DCA Little Mermaid Ariel's Undersea Adventure
Total Omnimover Vehicles 107
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 104 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:00???

Unless there is a much faster speed for Mermaid compared to Mansion, I can't figure out how it could be much shorter than 6:00 minutes (give or take a few ticks). With just 9 fewer Omnimover vehicles in use Onstage than Mansion, I don't know how you could get 9 fewer vehicles to make up a missing 90 seconds without really speeding it up the Omnimover?

 

[marni1971]

I only don't like how Disneyland's will be open before ours! That way, it's not going to be new to a lot of us.

The original idea was to open in Orlando for the 40th anniversary. TDO dragged their feet so long the timeframe collapsed.

Just checking, but is AUA still planned for DLP or was that project canceled with FLE?

Still in discussion. It`d be nice, since the original Mermaid dark ride was originally planned for DLP in the late 80`s (and soon later also for the MK)

 

[disneysroyal411]

The more I learn about TDO, the less I like them. Even though they do provide us with the attractions(sort of) they don't do it well enough, there has to be at least one Eisner on that team or something.

 

[disneysroyal411]

I so want an Aladdin Dark ride asap ...lol I wish.

Aladdin would be the most fun ride on a KUKA arm... It'd fit perfectly in my opinion. It's your magic carpet, you can fly in and out of real sets and screens, which is really need with aladdin, and it'd be fun.

 

[aladdin2007]

The more I learn about TDO, the less I like them. Even though they do provide us with the attractions(sort of) they don't do it well enough, there has to be at least one Eisner on that team or something.

One hopes theres at least one person in there fighting for the good stuff, but I get the feeling its filled with Presslers and clueless accountants.

 

[misterID]

WDW The Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 160
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 146 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 7:50

Disneyland Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 131
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 113 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:40

DCA Little Mermaid Ariel's Undersea Adventure
Total Omnimover Vehicles 107
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 104 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:00???

Unless there is a much faster speed for Mermaid compared to Mansion, I can't figure out how it could be much shorter than 6:00 minutes (give or take a few ticks). With just 9 fewer Omnimover vehicles in use Onstage than Mansion, I don't know how you could get 9 fewer vehicles to make up a missing 90 seconds without really speeding it up the Omnimover?

There's just no way TLM will be 6 minutes long. From the model it looks pretty short. I'm thinking around the length of Dreamflight/Buzz.

 

[MonsterManX]

Aladdin would be the most fun ride on a KUKA arm... It'd fit perfectly in my opinion. It's your magic carpet, you can fly in and out of real sets and screens, which is really need with aladdin, and it'd be fun.

Yeah I'd Dig it. I'd love to see a giant evil Jafar Genie near the end as if you're batting him or something. Totally could see it , I just think the carpet flyers doesn't suit a movie of such magnitude.

 

[fractal]

If this is like the NEMO ride I'll be really dissapointed.

 

[orky8]

I watched several YouTube videos of Haunted Mansion ride-throughs. Interestingly, the Disneyland version differed by up to 20 seconds on some videos, which tells me there are/were different speeds used for the attraction in recent years (and not the "creep mode" thing they do when they load wheelchair parties). I deferred to the shortest video ride-through that was 6:40 minutes, although another one on the Holiday version pushed the 7:00 minute mark. The WDW version was consistent at right around 7:45 to 7:50. Using that info, and the track maps and ride vehicle count, here's what I believe we are looking at for Little Mermaid;

WDW The Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 160
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 146 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 7:50

Disneyland Haunted Mansion
Total Omnimover Vehicles 131
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 113 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:40

DCA Little Mermaid Ariel's Undersea Adventure
Total Omnimover Vehicles 107
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 104 (Load belt to Unload belt)
Total Ride Time 6:00???

Unless there is a much faster speed for Mermaid compared to Mansion, I can't figure out how it could be much shorter than 6:00 minutes (give or take a few ticks). With just 9 fewer Omnimover vehicles in use Onstage than Mansion, I don't know how you could get 9 fewer vehicles to make up a missing 90 seconds without really speeding it up the Omnimover?

Well, let's use your numbers and do some math to get an accurate guesstimate.

WDW Haunted Mansion
Time = 7 min 50 seconds = 470 seconds
Length = 146 vehicles (going for ride time here, so ride vehicles only)
Time/vehicle = 470/146 = 3.22 seconds per ride vehicle

Disneyland Haunted Mansion
Time = 6 min 40 seconds = 400 seconds
Length = 113 vehicles (going for ride time here, so ride vehicles only)
Time/vehicle = 400/113 = 3.54 seconds per ride vehicle

Now we can guess how long Ariel is. Let's use more pessimistic assumption that it moves at the faster haunted mansion speed, which is WDW's with only 3.22 seconds of ride time per vehicle length.

So, 3.22 * 104 (LM ride vehicles) = 334 seconds = 5 Min 34 seconds.

So, it seems 5 1/2 mins is the answer. If we use Disneyland's Mansion to set the pace, then we get a hair over 6 minutes. Either way I am looking forward to it. Looks like an awesome dark ride.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If this is like the NEMO ride I'll be really dissapointed.

Just one man's opinion, but I'd rather see The Seas with Nemo and Friends than Peter Pan's Flight or The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Having said that - I'd still qualify it as a solid C-Ticket.

 

[TP2000]

There's just no way TLM will be 6 minutes long. From the model it looks pretty short. I'm thinking around the length of Dreamflight/Buzz.

Did a little digging and found a great site on the old If You Had Wings/Dreamflight attraction. http://www.omniluxe.net/wyw

Using the same format as above, here's what that shorter Omnimover looked like;

If You Had Wings (Dreamflight/Buzz)
Total Omnimover Vehicles 102
Total Onstage Omnimover Vehicles 89 (Load Belt to Unload Belt)
Total Ride Time 4:45

There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule about how many feet per second an Omnimover travels, so obviously the speed at which the system is running is going to determine the timed length of the ride. If You Had Wings really seemed to clip right along speedwise. I know that when Buzz Lightyear opened at Disneyland they had the Omnimover slowed down a tad from the "standard" speed that Mansion was travelling, which helps account for the longer ride time for Buzz at Disneyland in addition to a slightly longer track.

But the number of Omnimover vehicles in the "Onstage" portion of track gives a pretty good indicator of how long a basic Omnimover ride is going to be.

One thing we do know however, is that the Onstage track portion of Little Mermaid has about 15 more vehicles than If You Had Wings and about 9 less vehicles than Disneyland's Haunted Mansion. If you had to split the difference, that's about 55 to 65 seconds of additional ride time than If You Had Wings.

It all depends on the speed of the vehicle of course, but that's the best guess.

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[TP2000]

So, it seems 5 1/2 mins is the answer. If we use Disneyland's Mansion to set the pace, then we get a hair over 6 minutes. Either way I am looking forward to it. Looks like an awesome dark ride.

There we go! A true mathmetician is here! :wave:

Thank you for those calculations. It really does depend on the speed that they set the Omnimover system to (see my comments about the slower Buzz Lightyear ride at Disneyland).

They seem to be spending a great deal of energy and resources on the sets and effects in this ride, judging from the What's Next? media preview that Imagineering gave in Anaheim last Friday. I would bet they set the Omnimover to the slightly slower Disneyland Mansion speed, rather than try and hustle people through the elaborate sets they are creating.

I'm now pretty confident the Mermaid ride on both coasts will clock in around the 5:45 to 6:05 minutes long mark.

 

[Disneyson 1]

BTW, anyone notice how "Love's First Kiss" is between "Kiss The Girl" and "The Happy Ending"? I have a feeling that this is where we the Big A$$ Ursula (aka BAU) will appear... because love's first kiss defeats Ursula? Changing the story, I know, but that's the only way I think they can resolve the story.

 

[TP2000]

BTW, anyone notice how "Love's First Kiss" is between "Kiss The Girl" and "The Happy Ending"? I have a feeling that this is where we the Big A$$ Ursula (aka BAU) will appear... because love's first kiss defeats Ursula? Changing the story, I know, but that's the only way I think they can resolve the story.

Ursula has two separate show scenes, and her first scene (Scene 6 - Ursula's Lair) just after the Under The Sea room looks to be physically bigger than her second scene towards the end of the ride (Scene 9 - Love's First Kiss).

The model shows a large animatronic Ursula in both scenes. Check out the Miceage.com "Dateline Disneyland" update today for tons of really close-up pictures of The Little Mermaid ride model now on display at the Blue Sky Cellar. Amazing pics in that update of an official WDI attraction model! http://miceage.micechat.com/

 

[aladdin2007]

Are they not going to implement some kind of preview spot with models and concept art? Not only for mermaid but fantasyland in general. Sure we see it all online but its better in person and great for first time guests etc. :brick:

 

[TP2000]

Are they not going to implement some kind of preview spot with models and concept art? Not only for mermaid but fantasyland in general. Sure we see it all online but its better in person and great for first time guests etc. :brick:

I've been saying that for over a year. The DCA Blue Sky Cellar is a fabulous space with a rotating schedule of exhibits and videos as things go through the construction phases.

But it would seem the Fantasyland Expansion project is also worthy of such a resource and space inside the Magic Kingdom. Perhaps it has something to do with the DCA Makeover/Expansion being budgeted at 1.2 Billion Dollars over four years, while the Fantasyland Expansion is budgeted at 300 Million Dollars over four years? But still, you might not need as big of a space as the Blue Sky Cellar is, and you wouldn't need to swap out the exhibits every 6 months and change the movie, but you should be able to do something somewhere in the Magic Kingdom.

At the very least, they could pull together an official preview website as WDI has done with DCA at http://disneyland.disney.go.com/dis...P=FY09BSC_DisneyCaliforniaAdventureCom&bhcp=1

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