Rumor Light Rail / Tram Link for Disney Springs to TTC?

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I don't know, TTC right across the street even has a basement. I've always heard there was some issue with the area that's a pond/swamp in the middle of it. I'm pretty sure it could be developed if they wanted to. I would be interested to know the issues with the land, but short of that I wouldn't count it out.
Half of the MK lot is designated flood plain. It’s expected to flood in a 100 year storm.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
Half of the MK lot is designated flood plain. It’s expected to flood in a 100 year storm.
Ok, so you raise the elevation. That seems like a minor thing.

If you had asked me a few years ago if I thought the area of Seven Seas Lagoon near the Polynesian was suitable for construction I would've said no, but now there's hotel room there.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
I always go back to the same example....

You can build anywhere as long as you are willing to pay for it. Kansai International Airport is living proof of this fact.
I've noticed more and more within Disney a culture of excuses. Coming from executives to management and even into fan speculation. There's always a reason why something can't be done it seems. Then when there's a financial reason to do something they seem to somehow find a way. Funny how that works.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I've noticed more and more within Disney a culture of excuses. Coming from executives to management and even into fan speculation. There's always a reason why something can't be done it seems. Then when there's a financial reason to do something they seem to somehow find a way. Funny how that works.
That is every company.

Propose something unbelievably complex, but show it making a profit on a spreadsheet and it will get done.

Propose something simple that might do nothing more than foster good will and no one will touch it
 

Brad Bishop

Well-Known Member
That is every company.

Propose something unbelievably complex, but show it making a profit on a spreadsheet and it will get done.

Propose something simple that might do nothing more than foster good will and no one will touch it

I think that the whole "risk adverse" management (kids who in the 1990s wore helmets and life preservers to take a bath and are now in management) also plays into it. You can't show on a spreadsheet where there's guaranteed, or even indirect, income from something simple so it doesn't get done.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I could see them building a small park for MK loop guests as a way to keep rooms sold and even raise rates. Not saying it will happen anytime soon.

An interesting premise...

But consider:
1. Water parks are high cost and relatively low profit. Not incredibly popular lb for lb either.
2. They have downgraded the pools for about 2 decades...so that would be a complete reversal
 

FullSailDan

Well-Known Member
The flaw with this theory is that that limiting factor isn't any more than just the trams by themselves. Waiting in one line limits throughput just as much as waiting in 3 lines. There's still ultimately a line for the trams so there is zero net effect of limiting throughput by the monorails or ferry boats.

Waiting for the trams is not actually a requirement, If they want to walk to the parking lot they can. But you basically can't get to the trams without the monorail or boat. People don't walk from the TTC because they are tired, lazy, or don't think they can.
 

nace888

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Part of the whole issue with the parking and monorails and trams and ferries is that if I recall correctly, the setup was built as is because Walt didn't want the parking lot to impede on the look of the park and it's entrance. You can stand near the ferry launch or in the TTC Monorail station and see the kingdom as it begins to grow in front of your eyes. You hop onto one of those modes of transportation, and it materializes more and more as you approach. I want to say it was a magic factor... The whole concept to me is actually very useful. As for not offering DS to TTC connection, it's no different to someone finding a parking spot on 192 and catching a bus from a nearby stop over to the TTC.

HOWEVER, if we go into LRTrams, would we then have to consider it to be Orlando/Kissimmee transportation, or Disney Transportation? Suppose that depends on where it goes... I think having CMs drive the trams could be cool, but then we look at all the safety things that will be put into place... I had to go up to Minneapolis recently, and took a ride on the Blue Line Metro. Bombardier Flexity Swifts and Siemens S70s serviced the whole system (Blue and Green) with buses servicing more... I went to the Mall of America, and whatnot. They have stations that are not gated off, it's an open platform. Considering how they went with gates etc at the Monorail stations and how I'm sure they'll do the same for the Gondola, would this then cause too much cost for the LRTrams? Don't get me wrong, I could see a gleaming white railcar pulling up, but is it cost effective?

I know I posted the rumor, I'd heard it somewhere (but forgive me, I don't remember where) but while I'd love to see it happen, I am kinda leaning torwards the costly side.. I feel like monorail may be cheaper, but may be wrong. Now I WILL say however, if EPCOT is to become the new TTC, then I could see it turning into a HUB, if done right. BUT, this leads me to my next question... With the Gondola system being built the way it is, does this mean there will be another exit for EPCOT? Then again, has there been one and I missed it?
 

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