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Rumor Light Rail / Tram Link for Disney Springs to TTC?

creathir

Monorail and PeopleMover Fanatic
Premium Member
The jagged path I said was because it wouldn't be a straight run, so I added a turn and Coronado station. We've already seen the turn at BoardWalk add no more than 30 seconds, so, with two turns, it would only add one to two minutes.

Disney's quote of 15 min is just plain wrong if we're counting just travel time. It's simple math to figure out how long to travel 1.5 miles at 11.2 mph and it ain't 15 minutes. And 3 miles ain't an hour. You're doing ballpark math in your head and fouling out. You're *feeling* what it would be rather than reasoning it.

WDW is obviously adding in wait times. When people discuss how long it takes to get from one place to another by bus, they don't add in wait times when they're talking distance in terms of time. It's only when they have to figure out what time to be somewhere that they then have to account waiting possibly up to half an hour for the bus. No one answers the question "How long does it take to get from Port Orleans to DAK" with "over an hour." However, if someone asks, "How much time should I allow from Port Orleans to an ADR in DAK?", then the correct answer is "over an hour."
It’s roughly 3 miles, and yes, at the absolute minimum 2 turn stations.
However both of those stations are presumably at Coronado and Blizzard Beach, and likely at least one would be a full station similar to Riviera, possibly both, and more than likely Blizzard Beach being a hub similar to CBR with a line to serve All Star.
We’ve seen how slow the gondolas travel in Riviera now, with that adding at least 2 minutes to pass thru the station.
With all of that considered, distances, transfers, waits as you pass thru stations, the long end of the pole would more assuredly look something like 40-45 minutes of travel time.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree, especially since it doesn’t even matter, because as you said, this mode of transport (at this point) has been shot down by our insiders.
 

creathir

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Premium Member
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I think it's ironic that we're now discussing the gondola outside the gondola thread. Is this what happens when we stop discussing the gondola in the gondola thread?

What's next? Dogs and cats, living together?
We have to be careful, or else this will become the WDWGondola board...
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
I'm predicting dedicated lanes, flyways and underpasses for buses. Hydrogen powered buses.
Hydrogen? Of all alternative energy, hydrogen makes the least sense. It doesn't exist in a way that you can drill for it so it must be produced from something else and it has major safety considerations that have to be dealt with.

Some kind of electric bus/tram/trolley with overhead electric instead of batteries would probably make the most sense. That removes the need for batteries. Think San Francisco without the human feces.

Adding dedicated lanes to existing roads probably makes the most sense also.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Hydrogen? Of all alternative energy, hydrogen makes the least sense. It doesn't exist in a way that you can drill for it so it must be produced from something else and it has major safety considerations that have to be dealt with.

Some kind of electric bus/tram/trolley with overhead electric instead of batteries would probably make the most sense. That removes the need for batteries. Think San Francisco without the human feces.

Adding dedicated lanes to existing roads probably makes the most sense also.
Rails and/or overhead lines are expensive, create right-of-way issues and limit route flexibility.

Hydrogen busses are already here. Many if not all of your concerns have been resolved.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Hydrogen? Of all alternative energy, hydrogen makes the least sense. It doesn't exist in a way that you can drill for it so it must be produced from something else and it has major safety considerations that have to be dealt with.
Right. That is why hydrogen is looked at as a type of battery, a way to store the energy which should be produced more cleanly. It's a very clean battery.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Rails and/or overhead lines are expensive, create right-of-way issues and limit route flexibility.

Hydrogen busses are already here. Many if not all of your concerns have been resolved.
Just because they exist doesn't mean they make sense to use. LNG busses would make more sense than hydrogen since the hydrogen needs to be produced from it anyway. Until the world has enough excess renewable energy to use it to split hydrogen out of water, hydrogen makes no sense as a fuel. By that time, biofuels will be viable and available in large scales.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Just because they exist doesn't mean they make sense to use. LNG busses would make more sense than hydrogen since the hydrogen needs to be produced from it anyway. Until the world has enough excess renewable energy to use it to split hydrogen out of water, hydrogen makes no sense as a fuel. By that time, biofuels will be viable and available in large scales.
Nuclear power can be used to create hydrogen. Essentially creating a 100% clean loop that is nearly limitless.

Some routes can be driverless (sort of like monorails work but trackless) Some can be flex routes with human drivers to meet shifting demand. IE special events.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Nuclear power can be used to create hydrogen. Essentially creating a 100% clean loop that is nearly limitless.

Some routes can be driverless (sort of like monorails work but trackless) Some can be flex routes with human drivers to meet shifting demand. IE special events.
But using nuclear power (or any other "carbon free" source) takes that energy from the grid. That's why I say it makes no sense until excess alternative energy is available.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
But using nuclear power (or any other "carbon free" source) takes that energy from the grid. That's why I say it makes no sense until excess alternative energy is available.
Nuclear power plants have excess power in the overnight hours. More than enough for generating and storing hydrogen.

Eventually, modular reactors can serve this purpose ideally.
 

Robbiem

Well-Known Member
Yes. The station is within a stone's throw of the parks but you board on a lower level. Hence you don't cross any tracks when walking to the parks. I think it is more of a build up than dig down though.
If the whole of the magic Kingdom can be built above a tunnel system with entry at water level from the ferryboat dock then im sure you have a train line without level crossings if it was designed right
 
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