Rumor Light Rail / Tram Link for Disney Springs to TTC?

s8film40

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Already a road where? That's a walkway. And those people who paid huge bucks to stay in the Poly Bungalows are not going to appreciate having to watch parking trams zip back and forth across their view of the MK.
Yeah, it's primarily used as a walkway, but is occasionally used for vehicles. It just needs to be widened a bit. They would more than likely just build a new dedicated road built specifically for the trams though. I'm pretty sure they could do some things to make it look nicer. Either way it probably wouldn't look as bad as this:
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Robbiem

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Can't do it without building a bridge and a roadway along Seven Seas Lagoon... that would destroy the ambiance from the Lagoon.
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Could the bridge be a water bridge like the one at the contemporary? If it has to cross the canal I could see it being themed to blend in and not be an eyesore.

If they did ever do this I’d like to see something other than trams used. A peoplemover or even a short skyway system would keep the magical approach to Magic Kingdom, or what about some form of water transport using the canal if that could provide the capacity?
 

s8film40

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Could the bridge be a water bridge like the one at the contemporary? If it has to cross the canal I could see it being themed to blend in and not be an eyesore.

If they did ever do this I’d like to see something other than trams used. A peoplemover or even a short skyway system would keep the magical approach to Magic Kingdom, or what about some form of water transport using the canal if that could provide the capacity?
A water bridge would be nice, but I would guess a simple drawbridge would be the go to choice. I don't think some alternate transportation would really be worthwhile. It's actually a very short distance. It would be a shorter walk in than from most of the other parking lots and a lot of people usually opt to walk instead of using the trams anyway. Perhaps a moving walkway similar to what Universal uses would be better and they could save even more money by not running trams.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
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A water bridge would be nice, but I would guess a simple drawbridge would be the go to choice. I don't think some alternate transportation would really be worthwhile. It's actually a very short distance. It would be a shorter walk in than from most of the other parking lots and a lot of people usually opt to walk instead of using the trams anyway. Perhaps a moving walkway similar to what Universal uses would be better and they could save even more money by not running trams.
Well, knowing the current management style, any parking garage closer to MK will definitely be tagged "Premium Parking" and probably go for 1.6 times the regular parking rate.
 

jt04

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A premium parking area (garage) with a peoplemover to the main gate could be popular for guests willing to pay extra to bypass the current system. It could be located just northwest of the GF.
 

Robbiem

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A water bridge would be nice, but I would guess a simple drawbridge would be the go to choice. I don't think some alternate transportation would really be worthwhile. It's actually a very short distance. It would be a shorter walk in than from most of the other parking lots and a lot of people usually opt to walk instead of using the trams anyway. Perhaps a moving walkway similar to what Universal uses would be better and they could save even more money by not running trams.

I hadn’t realised the distance was that short. Disneyland Paris has a walkway system rather than parking trams - something like this would work OK for magic Kingdom

https://www.designingdisney.com/content/designing-disneyland-paris-parking-lot-structures
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Read parentsof4's analysis. I think your mind may be changed.

I will...

But there are always holes so big you can drive a truck through in “5th gate” discussions. They’ve been around 20 years.

The main problem is that the average stay went up less than one day when dak opened...the glass ceiling was established just under 7.

Internal data - frankly - and it basically eliminated a “5th gate” as we know it...doesn’t mean they won’t do a more boutique idea at some point...but not really a “parkhopper” scenario
 
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jt04

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I will...

But there are always holes so big you can drive a truck through in “5th gate” discussions. They’ve been around 20 years.

The main problem is that the average stay went up less than one day went up less than 1 when dak opened...the glass ceiling was established just under 7.

Internal data - frankly - and it basically eliminated a “5th gate” as we know it...doesn’t mean they won’t do a more boutique idea at some point...but not really a “parkhopper” scenario

there is so much that needs to be done with the existing 4 parks. And they are doing it. 5th gate at least 15 years away imo.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
there is so much that needs to be done with the existing 4 parks. And they are doing it. 5th gate at least 15 years away imo.

That’s not what I’m saying...but it is correct.

No company - not even disney - will be able to pull in the raw numbers needed at the price they need to be able to support more parks in the future. The idea that it’s gonna be a “future full of recreation and cash flow” is beyond deaf to the world as we are looking at it. In some kind of utopian Star Trek future maybe...but not this planet.

They need MASSES to function. Read buzz prices book about numbers...the parks are built on numbers and there isn’t much leeway. You can’t just charge more and get the labor/cover the overhead unless there is a dynamic switch in public company mentality...which is all but impossible in a fast pace world.

And Disney knows this...that’s why they continue to try to expand overseas and pack more rooms into WDW and disneyland.

They want less attendance? Bull...from the go.

So if they could find the bodies to work and pack the 5th park...and do it at premium cost? That’s a hard recipe to pull off and turn into a soufflé.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
I will...

But there are always holes so big you can drive a truck through in “5th gate” discussions. They’ve been around 20 years.

The main problem is that the average stay went up less than one day when dak opened...the glass ceiling was established just under 7.

Internal data - frankly - and it basically eliminated a “5th gate” as we know it...doesn’t mean they won’t do a more boutique idea at some point...but not really a “parkhopper” scenario
I agree that guests probably won't be staying longer, but that model isn't the whole story. We don't just have to think about average stay, we also have to think about capacity. Truth be told, Disney would much rather have lower ticket prices and more people at the parks. They would make much more money selling hotel rooms, F&B, and merch. Instead, because they don't have the capacity to serve as many people as they would like, they've substantially raised prices. But this model is not sustainable, and it's not in the best interest of shareholders to continue down this path for much longer. The Orlando market has grown substantially in terms of new visitors, but not much of that growth is attributable to WDW. There is a plethora of new potential customers on Disney's doorstep right now, and Disney isn't letting them in. The only reason the parks aren't at capacity everyday is because they've raised prices so much. A fifth gate would solve this by dramatically expanding park capacity. The reasoning behind a fifth gate is a lot different than the previous 4 parks, hence why there's been such a long gap. Relatively soon though, a fifth gate will be more than justified, it will be a necessity.

The reasoning is actually exactly the same as the cruise ship model.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I agree that guests probably won't be staying longer, but that model isn't the whole story. We don't just have to think about average stay, we also have to think about capacity. Truth be told, Disney would much rather have lower ticket prices and more people at the parks. They would make much more money selling hotel rooms, F&B, and merch. Instead, because they don't have the capacity to serve as many people as they would like, they've substantially raised prices. But this model is not sustainable, and it's not in the best interest of shareholders to continue down this path for much longer. The Orlando market has grown substantially in terms of new visitors, but not much of that growth is attributable to WDW. There is a plethora of new potential customers on Disney's doorstep right now, and Disney isn't letting them in. The only reason the parks aren't at capacity everyday is because they've raised prices so much. A fifth gate would solve this by dramatically expanding park capacity. The reasoning behind a fifth gate is a lot different than the previous 4 parks, hence why there's been such a long gap. Relatively soon though, a fifth gate will be more than justified, it will be a necessity.

The reasoning is actually exactly the same as the cruise ship model.

Wow...I’ll give you the award for original thinking...but how on earth do you think they were “forced” to raise prices?

It’s a great cover story...but the reality is they want way more people at higher prices. That makes them 100% like every modern business.

They’re not at “capacity”...nor close...but if their attendance doubled they would only increase prices.

Things are not as you believe them to be.
 

Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
I agree that guests probably won't be staying longer, but that model isn't the whole story. We don't just have to think about average stay, we also have to think about capacity. Truth be told, Disney would much rather have lower ticket prices and more people at the parks. They would make much more money selling hotel rooms, F&B, and merch. Instead, because they don't have the capacity to serve as many people as they would like, they've substantially raised prices. But this model is not sustainable, and it's not in the best interest of shareholders to continue down this path for much longer. The Orlando market has grown substantially in terms of new visitors, but not much of that growth is attributable to WDW. There is a plethora of new potential customers on Disney's doorstep right now, and Disney isn't letting them in. The only reason the parks aren't at capacity everyday is because they've raised prices so much. A fifth gate would solve this by dramatically expanding park capacity. The reasoning behind a fifth gate is a lot different than the previous 4 parks, hence why there's been such a long gap. Relatively soon though, a fifth gate will be more than justified, it will be a necessity.

The reasoning is actually exactly the same as the cruise ship model.
In the old days, the majority of the park's profits came from merchandise and F&B. When the Bass Bros. came aboard, the wanted that cash upfront when the people walked in the gates. As prices went up, people bought less merchandise so those prices went up too. And did the room rates. And food. And now its a cycle. (It might be shocking to know that in 1974, when I worked at Disney, room rates for the Contemporary were the same as the Holiday Inn Maingate!)
 

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