Also I am not advocating for one administration over the other although I do have my preference I am just saying to think it wouldn't have ended up differently is delusional.
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july 4th and return to normal.
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Walt Disney1955
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So what are you doing about it then? Seems to be you are promoting completely counter-productive things. You can't say "We have to do everything to stop this virus" and then not care about how the already 9 million people a year who die of hunger worldwide are in a much worse position because so much of our resources that they depend on over here have been shut down or limited. I mean, I give up if people can't look past this whole idea that nothing matters more than avoiding a virus. It obviously is a horribly failed experiment.
That is because Americans more than anyone have a strong base for people that remember how important their freedoms are. In Canada we've forgotten about that, as has much of the world.
Getting my first jab in 35 minutes. See ya.
Queen of the WDW Scene
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While I'd agree that I hate masks they do come in handy in situations where normally you'd have to hide the feelings you're having from your facial expressions like when you want to mouth some terrible words. Without a mask you have to keep your mouth closed lol.
ParentsOf4
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I suspect you won't agree with this but "the right thing to do for the general populous" is subjective.
Decisions have consequences. Each decision helps some and harms others. This is true for decisions made by anyone in a position of authority, whether they be a government official or in the private sector.
There now are plenty of science-based studies showing the harm of restrictions. There also are plenty of science-based studies showing the good done by restrictions.
Based on what I have read to-date, I believe that masks should be worn indoors until the death rate from COVID drops to a level than is comparable to what we experience every year from influenza. This includes at WDW where people walk in-and-outside all the time.
But it is safe for me to go to the park or beach and not wear a mask.
And schools should be open for learning (with masks and 3 feet of distancing).
This is what I think is the right thing to do.
This does not mean that I am "right".
And this does not mean this is what I thought was "right" 6 months ago.
I recognize that others have different opinions and I'm interested in hearing what they have to say. Specifically, I'm interested in the reasoning behind their opinions. I like to believe I'm open-minded. My opinion changes as I receive new information. My opinion can be swayed by a good argument or new information.
The problem we run into are that people are locked into their positions and refuse to listen to anything that varies from their set views.
The reality is that both sides have been grossly wrong at times when it comes to COVID.
The problem with politics is that it doesn't allow you to admit that your side is wrong.
Absolutely. There was no rule book for the last 15 months.
Walt Disney1955
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To each their own. Just don't be one of those people that demands that everyone else get it.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
oh I agree there...
it also makes everyone “pretty” in the mind’s eye...
what?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
holding up Florida in any scenario as a “good example” is minefield that no one ever gets out of intact.
they’re extremely lucky they didn’t end up with a mass tragedy there. Which is the only way fools “succeed”
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Larry Mondello
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July 4th is 10 weeks away. It takes 6 weeks to get fully vaccinated. Any one can now easily get a first shot by next week. If everyone begins the process in the next 4 weeks, July 4th could be mask free with everything opened. But I suspect a lot of Disney patrons are anti-vaxxers and I have no confidence in the American Public that this will happen. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
nope.
the vaccine numbers are trending towards a flatline. Because “ma freedom” and all.
I will say from talking to many passers by when we were in wdw a few weeks ago that near all were vaccinated. But I think that may have been a more “regional” crowd than other times a year
Santa Raccoon 77
Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
Hopefully you can catch us up over there and we can reintroduce inter UK travel when you are closer to our case numbers.
Poseidon Quest
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I certainly seem to have done so.
But you didn't. You posted a link to a "study" designed to spread false information, spread around on conservative "news" sites that you said was "worth looking into". I'm just making sure that no one could be confused by this nonsense.
Apparently so. Covid passports are in the headlines the past week. Although for our usually slow to do anything country we’re not doing badly. Mainland Europe was the big shock.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Europe is a mess
as far as we “world leaders”...we’re going to have too much supply for the demand soon
always leading backwards these days
Santa Raccoon 77
Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
Yeah we are hoping for DLP next year . Was looking at early in the year. Now looking towards September.
Larry Mondello
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And people might tell you what they think you want to hear when they know that there is no possible way to verify what they said in the moment.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
wasn’t that kind of crowd or price season...to be honest.
no reason to doubt them in the moment
HairyChest
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Are pretty much all cast members vaccinated? I’m thinking that’s the real thing Disney is waiting on to normalize operations even if vaccination rates are flatlining yet open to all who want one. I can’t imagine Disney waiting for people who are antivaxxers change their mind and then Disney opening up fully.
bdearl41
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In the end the US will have done far better than most nationsEurope is a mess
as far as we “world leaders”...we’re going to have too much supply for the demand soon
always leading backwards these days