july 4th and return to normal.

[Walt Disney1955]

its unlikely in the US but possible

That scares the bejeebies out of me. Why flirt with that for a nanosecond?

and we’ve gotten a lot of “it’s not political” comments in the last day...but the polling says vaccine hesitation is a THIRTY point - 30 - swing along party lines.

which means this isn’t about drugs, HIPAA, or personal Liberty at all. Not one bit.

Maybe there are some people, like myself, who were part of a Facebook group that got shut down that had over 125,000 people that was dedicated to people telling their stories of their loved ones who had horrible reactions after they took the vaccine. Even as far as death.

It is hardly crazy to understand why these people decide that they are healthy and do not need to take the risk of an experimental vaccine. What is the big deal? There are literally thousands of people at WDW and sporting events in America not vaccinated and the sky hasn't fallen.

 

[Lilofan]

Maybe there are some people, like myself, who were part of a Facebook group that got shut down that had over 125,000 people that was dedicated to people telling their stories of their loved ones who had horrible reactions after they took the vaccine. Even as far as death.

It is hardly crazy to understand why these people decide that they are healthy and do not need to take the risk of an experimental vaccine. What is the big deal? There are literally thousands of people at WDW and sporting events in America not vaccinated and the sky hasn't fallen.

I've read about that FB group , it is a bunch of death hunting conspiracy theorists looking up deaths from the vaccine and talking about it.

 

[marni1971]

I've read about that FB group , it is a bunch of death hunting conspiracy theorists looking up deaths from the vaccine and talking about it.

Can’t legislate for paranoid stupidity.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[marni1971]

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

Another reason to be vaccinated. Aside from the obvious one of getting the world back on track.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Another reason to be vaccinated. Aside from the obvious one of getting the world back on track.

But also a case for not pushing forward too quickly. 49% is good but not complete protection against transmission.

 

[marni1971]

But also a case for not pushing forward too quickly. 49% is good but not complete protection against transmission.

I don’t think anyone expected any groundbreaking figure of protection against transmission. So halving the risk is a good number.

At the end of the day the vaccines are to stop the majority of people not being hospitalised or dying. Still getting sick is something we will have to learn to live with - assuming the vast majority do the right thing and get jabbed. There again it’s likely the unjabbed will just end up killing eachother. Sadly that will also include those who currently can’t have a jab. Maybe the research into an oral vaccine will come up trumps.

It’s still early days.

 

[ParentsOf4]

I've read about that FB group , it is a bunch of death hunting conspiracy theorists looking up deaths from the vaccine and talking about it.

Can’t legislate for paranoid stupidity.

In 2 short posts, everything that’s wrong with public discourse today.

Rather than take the time to calmly explain with facts why the opposite side is wrong, silence them and personally attack them.

And people wonder why we are so divided.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

In 2 short posts, everything that’s wrong with public discourse today.

Rather than take the time to calmly explain with facts why the opposite side is wrong, silence them and personally attack them.

And people wonder why we are so divided.

There is no point trying to convince the poster they are replying to. Many have tried and failed as he doesn't want to hear any other opinion than his own. There comes a point when people give up being nice.

 

[Lilofan]

There is no point trying to convince the poster they are replying to. Many have tried and failed as he doesn't want to hear any other opinion than his own. There comes a point when people give up being nice.

But to continue to spread misinformation the solution - put the poster on ignore.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

But to continue to spread misinformation the solution - put the poster on ignore.

Doesn't stop the poster spreading his views. Just stops you from seeing them

 

[marni1971]

In 2 short posts, everything that’s wrong with public discourse today.

Rather than take the time to calmly explain with facts why the opposite side is wrong, silence them and personally attack them.

And people wonder why we are so divided.

There is no point trying to convince the poster they are replying to. Many have tried and failed as he doesn't want to hear any other opinion than his own. There comes a point when people give up being nice.

 

[ParentsOf4]

There is no point trying to convince the poster they are replying to. Many have tried and failed as he doesn't want to hear any other opinion than his own. There comes a point when people give up being nice.

Doesn't stop the poster spreading his views. Just stops you from seeing them

And by simply attacking them, we do nothing to prove them wrong.

As a bit of a science history buff, I assure you that history is replete with examples of people who the conventional wisdom said were wrong, only to be proven right, sometimes generations later.

I have received both doses and strongly encourage others to do the same.

This doesn’t mean I need to insult or marginalize those who don’t.

All name-calling does is entrench them further.

It’s vitally important that all of us get vaccinated as quickly as possible. Let’s encourage those who are hesitant to do the same.

 

[marni1971]

And by simply attacking them, we do nothing to prove them wrong.

As a bit of a science history buff, I assure you that history is replete with examples of people who the conventional wisdom said were wrong, only to be proven right, sometimes generations later.

I have received both doses and strongly encourage others to do the same.

This doesn’t mean I need to insult or marginalize those who don’t.

All name-calling does is entrench them further.

It’s vitally important that all of us get vaccinated as quickly as possible. Let’s encourage those who are hesitant to do the same.

There’s only so much you can do to encourage. Some just don’t want to listen. They’re beyond being proven wrong and so reap what they sow. But it isn’t the job of a theme park forum to persuade them either.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

And by simply attacking them, we do nothing to prove them wrong.

As a bit of a science history buff, I assure you that history is replete with examples of people who the conventional wisdom said were wrong, only to be proven right, sometimes generations later.

I have received both doses and strongly encourage others to do the same.

This doesn’t mean I need to insult or marginalize those who don’t.

All name-calling does is entrench them further.

It’s vitally important that all of us get vaccinated as quickly as possible. Let’s encourage those who are hesitant to do the same.

History won't change the fact we are in a global pandemic., No matter how much people wish to deny it.

 

[ParentsOf4]

There’s only so much you can do to encourage. Some just don’t want to listen. They’re beyond being proven wrong and so reap what they sow. But it isn’t the job of a theme park forum to persuade them either.

When I was younger, I was a lifeguard and also taught children and adults how to swim.

Some took to it naturally. Some were deathly afraid. Most were somewhere in the middle.

I never succeeded in teaching anyone to swim by insulting them or telling them to shut up.

When you really think about it, everyone should have been afraid. After all, the consequences of failure is drowning, perhaps one of the worst ways to die.

I suspect that fear was in the back of the mind for most people I taught, especially the adults.

As an instructor, my job was more than just teaching them to swim. It also was helping them overcome their fear.

 

[marni1971]

When I was younger, I was a lifeguard and also taught children and adults how to swim.

Some took to it naturally. Some were deathly afraid. Most were somewhere in the middle.

I never succeeded in teaching anyone to swim by insulting them or telling them to shut up.

When you really think about it, everyone should have been afraid. After all, the consequences of failure is drowning, perhaps one of the worst ways to die.

I suspect that fear was in the back of the mind for most people I taught, especially the adults.

As an instructor, my job was more than just teaching them to swim. It also was helping them overcome their fear.

Put it another way - I’ve given up trying to help some people. It’s annoying since their ignorance can spoil things for the rest of us (lockdowns, waves, travel restrictions etc) So I’ll just put them on ignore despite vowing not to do that again.

There again, it’s not my job to care about them in the first place. I’ll help anyone who asks. Treat those who deserve it with respect. But when you get to the end of the tether patience runs out.

 

[Prince-1]

History won't change the fact we are in a global pandemic., No matter how much people wish to deny it.

Nor will denying real science exists or that scientific data will change and evolve over time which will alter previous recommendations. People who fail to realize this is part of the problem.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Nor will denying real science exists or that scientific data will change and evolve over time which will alter previous recommendations. People who fail to realize this is part of the problem.

I agree. It's part of the reason I am living in a covid free region with no restrictions and very high uptake of the vaccines that is only slightly behind the UK in terms of percentage vaccinated.

 

[Prince-1]

I agree. It's part of the reason I am living in a covid free region with no restrictions and very high uptake of the vaccines that is only slightly behind the UK in terms of percentage vaccinated.

Yeah we never would never be able to do that in America. We love our freedom to much.