july 4th and return to normal.

[ParentsOf4]

There is a whole bunch of false news in the other side too. Bunch of crap science overall. Here’s what I know. I wear a mask at work, grocery store and dropping my kid off at school. Work with the public. Have since the start. Never closed and been eating at restaurants the whole time. Also went to Vegas is September. Didn’t catch it. Just saying. That’s the only thing I can say is 100 percent. Also fully vaccinated and pretty much have no worries.

"I did all these things and didn't get COVID" is not science. It's luck.

There is no magic bullet to avoiding COVID. It's about behavior and probability. Some behaviors are higher risk than others.

COVID has been around for well over a year. Yet only about 10% of Americans have caught COVID. I am sure that of the remaining 90%, there are a whole bunch who have been doing dumb things all along.

Some who have had COVID did all the "right" things. They were unlucky.

Some who have not had COVID did all the "wrong" things. They were lucky.

Doing the right things is about decreasing your odds of getting COVID.

People who do dumb things did not prove that all the "right" things are wrong.

The only thing they proved is that they got lucky.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In the end the US will have done far better than most nations

...but it’s not a participation award...

no sense in getting to 50% and then refighting the lost political battles of a failure/clown

 

[Walt Disney1955]

nope.

the vaccine numbers are trending towards a flatline. Because “ma freedom” and all.

I will say from talking to many passers by when we were in wdw a few weeks ago that near all were vaccinated. But I think that may have been a more “regional” crowd than other times a year

A couple of things. It is bizarre that people have forgotten that their private medical history is just that - private. No one needs to know if I got a vaccine, a vasectomy, plastic surgery, a new hip or dentures. And I wouldn't bother sharing it with people "passing by". What ever happened to discretion? You don't need to know, and neither do I. We'll live either way.

Secondly, I have no idea why people have taken up the "Stockholm Syndrome" mentality of making light of their freedom. Talking about death, well, thousands of people died over the last century and before just to preserve freedoms. Why is that all of the sudden taken so lightly? (I'll admit Americans are much, much better at making their government work for them and preserving their freedoms compared to us up in Canada, but there are still people who don't get it).

holding up Florida in any scenario as a “good example” is minefield that no one ever gets out of intact.

they’re extremely lucky they didn’t end up with a mass tragedy there. Which is the only way fools “succeed”

No, I disagree. Florida isn't the only one, Texas and other places have done well also. Come up here to Ontario. They have the most draconian measures in North America (the only place that forbids people from playing 18 holes of golf in the entire continent) and yet the numbers skyrocket. So yeah, masks, social distancing, paranoia and lockdowns haven't worked all year. Florida among others figured it out. Herd immunity can also be achieved by building up your immunity. Or at least that's how people did it every single year of their lives prior to 2020.

July 4th is 10 weeks away. It takes 6 weeks to get fully vaccinated. Any one can now easily get a first shot by next week. If everyone begins the process in the next 4 weeks, July 4th could be mask free with everything opened. But I suspect a lot of Disney patrons are anti-vaxxers and I have no confidence in the American Public that this will happen. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, you can't have nice things when you comply with - and applaud - tyranny. History books are still pretty good things to check out. The guy that said "Just do what the government says so they can give us our rights back" is fictional.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

Are pretty much all cast members vaccinated? I’m thinking that’s the real thing Disney is waiting on to normalize operations even if vaccination rates are flatlining yet open to all who want one. I can’t imagine Disney waiting for people who are antivaxxers change their mind and then Disney opening up fully.

So I take it you are on the side of everyone having to disclose their medical history just in order to make you feel "safe"?

"I did all these things and didn't get COVID" is not science. It's luck.

There is no magic bullet to avoiding COVID. It's about behavior and probability. Some behaviors are higher risk than others.

COVID has been around for well over a year. Yet only about 10% of Americans have caught COVID. I am sure that of the remaining 90%, there are a whole bunch who have been doing dumb things all along.

Some who have had COVID did all the "right" things. They were unlucky.

Some who have not had COVID did all the "wrong" things. They were lucky.

Doing the right things is about decreasing your odds of getting COVID.

People who do dumb things did not prove that all the "right" things are wrong.

The only thing they proved is that they got lucky.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

What are the (ahem) "wrong" things you say they did?

 

[Tony Perkis]

A couple of things. It is bizarre that people have forgotten that their private medical history is just that - private. No one needs to know if I got a vaccine, a vasectomy, plastic surgery, a new hip or dentures. And I wouldn't bother sharing it with people "passing by". What ever happened to discretion? You don't need to know, and neither do I. We'll live either way.

Secondly, I have no idea why people have taken up the "Stockholm Syndrome" mentality of making light of their freedom. Talking about death, well, thousands of people died over the last century and before just to preserve freedoms. Why is that all of the sudden taken so lightly? (I'll admit Americans are much, much better at making their government work for them and preserving their freedoms compared to us up in Canada, but there are still people who don't get it).



No, I disagree. Florida isn't the only one, Texas and other places have done well also. Come up here to Ontario. They have the most draconian measures in North America (the only place that forbids people from playing 18 holes of golf in the entire continent) and yet the numbers skyrocket. So yeah, masks, social distancing, paranoia and lockdowns haven't worked all year. Florida among others figured it out. Herd immunity can also be achieved by building up your immunity. Or at least that's how people did it every single year of their lives prior to 2020.



No, you can't have nice things when you comply with - and applaud - tyranny. History books are still pretty good things to check out. The guy that said "Just do what the government says so they can give us our rights back" is fictional.

Let’s be clear here: no state has done well managing COVID.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

Let’s be clear here: no state has done well managing COVID.

Viruses can't really be contained, it never works well that way. They need to run their course. This is why for the life of me I can never understand why they've pushed lockdowns, masks, social distancing, experimental vaccines, etc. when all of our lives what did a good self-respecting doctor promote? Exercise, diet, fresh air, vitamin D, drink lots of water, sunshine, etc. Don't smoke, don't be obese, don't drink in excess, etc. Yet they don't, or at least not the ones who get the media attention.

That being said, there are some States who did a great job in handling the effects of the virus while others did a horrible job. You have to look at the big picture here. You still have unemployment, mental health, children's education, children's health, financial health, psychological health and more and more and more to think about. What do you think lockdowns and such does with those things? It makes it worse. But the States that opened up had a lot less collateral damage. If I recall didn't the Governor of South Dakota say that they actually have a surplus and not a deficit? Now that is good governing. Especially during a pandemic. Unfortunately even just isolating the financial side of it there will be some states and communities that will be feeling the bad policies that arose from this pandemic for a long time.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We got an alleycat rustling up trouble round here

 

[bdearl41]

...but it’s not a participation award...

no sense in getting to 50% and then refighting the lost political battles of a failure/clown

Just saying it’s interesting is all. Doesn’t need to be political

 

[Tony Perkis]

Viruses can't really be contained, it never works well that way. They need to run their course. This is why for the life of me I can never understand why they've pushed lockdowns, masks, social distancing, experimental vaccines, etc. when all of our lives what did a good self-respecting doctor promote? Exercise, diet, fresh air, vitamin D, drink lots of water, sunshine, etc. Don't smoke, don't be obese, don't drink in excess, etc. Yet they don't, or at least not the ones who get the media attention.

That being said, there are some States who did a great job in handling the effects of the virus while others did a horrible job. You have to look at the big picture here. You still have unemployment, mental health, children's education, children's health, financial health, psychological health and more and more and more to think about. What do you think lockdowns and such does with those things? It makes it worse. But the States that opened up had a lot less collateral damage. If I recall didn't the Governor of South Dakota say that they actually have a surplus and not a deficit? Now that is good governing. Especially during a pandemic. Unfortunately even just isolating the financial side of it there will be some states and communities that will be feeling the bad policies that arose from this pandemic for a long time.

Yeah, don’t be unhealthy. That’s a helpful solution when the majority of the country is greatly unhealthy, as if they can change that the moment the virus hits.

This is not the same as any other virus. That communication needs to end.

 

[Lilofan]

Viruses can't really be contained, it never works well that way. They need to run their course. This is why for the life of me I can never understand why they've pushed lockdowns, masks, social distancing, experimental vaccines, etc. when all of our lives what did a good self-respecting doctor promote? Exercise, diet, fresh air, vitamin D, drink lots of water, sunshine, etc. Don't smoke, don't be obese, don't drink in excess, etc. Yet they don't, or at least not the ones who get the media attention.

That being said, there are some States who did a great job in handling the effects of the virus while others did a horrible job. You have to look at the big picture here. You still have unemployment, mental health, children's education, children's health, financial health, psychological health and more and more and more to think about. What do you think lockdowns and such does with those things? It makes it worse. But the States that opened up had a lot less collateral damage. If I recall didn't the Governor of South Dakota say that they actually have a surplus and not a deficit? Now that is good governing. Especially during a pandemic. Unfortunately even just isolating the financial side of it there will be some states and communities that will be feeling the bad policies that arose from this pandemic for a long time.

Exercise, diet, don't be obese .. Good words as you say to live by , right @BigPhil?

 

[HairyChest]

So I take it you are on the side of everyone having to disclose their medical history just in order to make you feel "safe"?

How is releasing the percentage of cast members vaccinated their personal medical history? The states release vaccination rates of the public continuously. That’s what they base the reopening timeline of the country on.

Your medical history doesn’t make me feel safe. The missile defense capabilities of the Harmonious barges are what make me feel safe.

 

[Giss Neric]

Viruses can't really be contained, it never works well that way. They need to run their course. This is why for the life of me I can never understand why they've pushed lockdowns, masks, social distancing, experimental vaccines, etc. when all of our lives what did a good self-respecting doctor promote? Exercise, diet, fresh air, vitamin D, drink lots of water, sunshine, etc. Don't smoke, don't be obese, don't drink in excess, etc. Yet they don't, or at least not the ones who get the media attention.

That being said, there are some States who did a great job in handling the effects of the virus while others did a horrible job. You have to look at the big picture here. You still have unemployment, mental health, children's education, children's health, financial health, psychological health and more and more and more to think about. What do you think lockdowns and such does with those things? It makes it worse. But the States that opened up had a lot less collateral damage. If I recall didn't the Governor of South Dakota say that they actually have a surplus and not a deficit? Now that is good governing. Especially during a pandemic. Unfortunately even just isolating the financial side of it there will be some states and communities that will be feeling the bad policies that arose from this pandemic for a long time.

Reading this made me realized how divided this country and will forever be divided. It's like we give our opinion based on which side we think did a better job when it should not be like that. Ever wonder why other first world countries did a better job handling it? Unity. Sounds cliche but it's true.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just saying it’s interesting is all. Doesn’t need to be political

It SHOULDNT be...

...anyone buying that it isn’t?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, don’t be unhealthy. That’s a helpful solution when the majority of the country is greatly unhealthy, as if they can change that the moment the virus hits.

This is not the same as any other virus. That communication needs to end.

perfect...

yes...this is a spoiled, lethargic country in many way. We allowed General Mills and Kellogg’s to pump unchecked amounts of high fructose corn syrup into our kids in bright colors for decades...

no denying that. Hell - I bet people are posting “trip reports” right now saying “we always end with chef Mickey’s...”
yep...definitely what you need is a 3,500 Calorie breakfast to celebrate a week of staged revelry...makes sense.

...but to say “everyone needs to be healthy..let’s open up anyway” is just so completely a fail on any intellectual level.

we got caught flat footed...we’ve failed. So enough of this “here’s what I think” Nonsense and help work the PROBLEM. The lines are so blurred here we’re in a feedback loop. We’re comparing “state response”...forgetting that was a POLITICAL tactic to isolate states for one event that’s over and ended the way it should.

not everyone needs a personal opinion on some things. And far fewer need to heed/hear it. We can Debate whether captain America 4 is good idea if we want to hash that one out?

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

perfect...

yes...this is a spoiled, lethargic country in many way. We allowed General Mills and Kellogg’s to pump unchecked amounts of high fructose corn syrup into our kids in bright colors for decades...

no denying that. Hell - I bet people are posting “trip reports” right now saying “we always end with chef Mickey’s...”
yep...definitely what you need is a 3,500 Calorie breakfast to celebrate a week of staged revelry...makes sense.

...but to say “everyone needs to be healthy..let’s open up anyway” is just so completely a fail on any intellectual level.

we got caught flat footed...we’ve failed. So enough of this “here’s what I think” Nonsense and help work the PROBLEM. The lines are so blurred here we’re in a feedback loop. We’re comparing “state response”...forgetting that was a POLITICAL tactic to isolate states for one event that’s over and ended the way it should.

not everyone needs a personal opinion on some things. And far fewer need to head it. We can Debate whether captain America 4 is good idea if we want to hash that one out?

So long as it follows on from the Sam and Bucky show I am good with Cap 4

 

[DisneyFan32]

nope.

the vaccine numbers are trending towards a flatline. Because “ma freedom” and all.

I will say from talking to many passers by when we were in wdw a few weeks ago that near all were vaccinated. But I think that may have been a more “regional” crowd than other times a year

If vaccine numbers goes a flatline. There could be a massive big surge or wave this summer like India and Brazil because anti-vaxxs won't give up for their lesson and we will never go back to normal till years now...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So long as it follows on from the Sam and Bucky show I am good with Cap 4

I like it...episode 6 is a bit of a mess...

but I’m not sure they should go down the cap road until Bob is ready to pay the piper??

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If vaccine numbers goes a flatline. There could be a massive big surge or wave this summer like India and Brazil because anti-vaxxs won't give up for their lesson and we will never go back to normal till years now...

its unlikely in the US but possible

That scares the bejeebies out of me. Why flirt with that for a nanosecond?

and we’ve gotten a lot of “it’s not political” comments in the last day...but the polling says vaccine hesitation is a THIRTY point - 30 - swing along party lines.

which means this isn’t about drugs, HIPAA, or personal Liberty at all. Not one bit.

 

[Chi84]

its unlikely in the US but possible

That scares the bejeebies out of me. Why flirt with that for a nanosecond?

and we’ve gotten a lot of “it’s not political” comments in the last day...but the polling says vaccine hesitation is a THIRTY point - 30 - swing along party lines.

which means this isn’t about drugs, HIPAA, or personal Liberty at all. Not one bit.

In Illinois, it is true that the demographic that voted Republican is also the demographic most hesitant to get vaccinated. But there is some indication that those groups share characteristics other than political ideology that may lead to the hesitancy. In other words, they may be both Republican and vaccine hesitant, but are not necessarily vaccine hesitant because they are Republican.

One article pointed out that rural communities tend to be more insular and less trusting of government in general. A doctor in one rural area said that her patients were not necessarily opposed to getting vaccinated but wanted to wait until she could personally give them the vaccine because they knew and trusted her. The fact that these communities are spread out also means people can't walk two blocks to a Walgreens the way you can in a city.

I was encouraged to see (finally) that the current administration is working this problem by starting a vaccination campaign using local community groups involved in industry, healthcare, sports, religion, etc. One member of a farmers' association coordinated a vaccine center on his farm and was responsible for getting 350 people vaccinated in one day. Polls show that the people who are ideologically opposed to the vaccine are pretty much a lost cause. But there are many who can be reached and persuaded.

We need serious people to face the reality of vaccine hesitancy and to calmly and efficiently work the problem. It's difficult not to judge people when you see them making choices that are clearly against the common good, but in the long run sitting in judgment doesn't help and may even hurt.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

Yeah, don’t be unhealthy. That’s a helpful solution when the majority of the country is greatly unhealthy, as if they can change that the moment the virus hits.

This is not the same as any other virus. That communication needs to end.

In Canada our health minister literally - and I wish I can make this up - said vitamin D is "fake news" for helping you. So there you go.

Reading this made me realized how divided this country and will forever be divided. It's like we give our opinion based on which side we think did a better job when it should not be like that. Ever wonder why other first world countries did a better job handling it? Unity. Sounds cliche but it's true.

The media will never let people be united. There will always be something to stir the pot. I don't think people got along all that great prior to 2020, but just think of how much BETTER we got along with each other in 2019. The idea that a person's presence was a "danger" to you was not even thought of at that time. A maskless person being the grim reaper? Nope, no one even thought that. Social distancing? What would that have been? Just think of how much better people's lives would be if they all picked up pitchforks and dealt with the REAL virus.

Exercise, diet, don't be obese .. Good words as you say to live by , right @BigPhil?

It is a good start, regardless. But for the life of me, do not do things like isolation, masks, social distancing, etc. that hurt your immune system. It is unbelievable how the paid doctors have given this horrible advice and no one remembers that your mothers in the 1980s who told you to go out and get fresh air actually were smarter than these people.

How is releasing the percentage of cast members vaccinated their personal medical history? The states release vaccination rates of the public continuously. That’s what they base the reopening timeline of the country on.

Your medical history doesn’t make me feel safe. The missile defense capabilities of the Harmonious barges are what make me feel safe.

You should read the Nuremberg Code. No one should get vaccinated against their will. And did you ever - yes or no - demand to know how many of the Disney cast members got the flu shot? Of course you didn't.

One thing Disney has lost with this whole thing is the part that made them better than everyone else. It isn't just the attractions, it is the experience. A smiling cast member, exceptional customer service beyond what is necessary, the best fireworks show I have ever seen, parades, etc. All over nothing but fear. It is a shame. Disney is where you ESCAPE the real world, not get constantly reminded of it. Something is very unnerving about a cast member in a mask and that's a lot of money to pay to have a weird feeling.