Janitors on Call with iPhones

[monothingie]

Remember when the bathrooms were always clean even without garbage can and toilet sensors?

 

[Bandini]

Actually incorrect. When DL opened people were much more respectful of others property. Heck people even dressed up to go to DL.

Well, according to the interviews I've read, one of the reasons Walt Disney built DL is to find a clean place where families could visit. He didn't like taking his daughters to carnivals because he thought they were dirty.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Actually incorrect. When DL opened people were much more respectful of others property.

The cleanliness of Disney's parks and the efforts to keep them so clean were a subject of note for decades. That could not be if your assertion were true.

 

[21stamps]

Are you capable of having a discussion without constantly resorting to unrelated hyperbole? This has nothing to do with a dislike of technology. Nor does it have anything to do with glitches.

Ok, so if this has nothing to do with technology, then what does it have to do with? What is the "dislike" directed towards?

I thought technology was the entire point- using it to make guest satisfaction better, and custodian work more efficient .

Am I on the wrong thread? I thought this one was about Janitors on Call with iPhones.

 

[roj2323]

So you believe there is currently enough custodial staff?

It depends on the park but Largely yes, I firmly believe there's plenty of staff.

 

[Bandini]

It depends on the park but Largely yes, I firmly believe there's plenty of staff.

So the reason I've encountered less than clean parks is because the CM's aren't doing their jobs? I don't know if I agree with that premise. I have friends who are CM's and they are saying that they are pretty overworked due to the cuts in staffing and the increased attendance. I'm sure there are some goof offs, that's true in every company.

 

[21stamps]

Bottom line-
What's the worst that can happen?
The system doesn't work properly and it takes an extra 2 minutes to empty a trash can?

Or-
Best case- the system works great and everyone has a more pleasant experience, on vacation and on the job.

So the reason I've encountered less than clean parks is because the CM's aren't doing their jobs? I don't know if I agree with that premise. I have friends who are CM's and they are saying that they are pretty overworked due to the cuts in staffing and the increased attendance. I'm sure there are some goof offs, that's true in every company.

How many hours per week is "overworked"? Are they willing to make less money if new people are hired? Maybe switch to all part time employees so Disney doesn't have to pay benefits? Would that solution work?

I don't even need an answer, just asking you to think a little more broadly.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The cleanliness of Disney's parks and the efforts to keep them so clean were a subject of note for decades. That could not be if your assertion were true.

So you are saying its more difficult to keep clean when people are more self aware and respectful of others property?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Well, according to the interviews I've read, one of the reasons Walt Disney built DL is to find a clean place where families could visit. He didn't like taking his daughters to carnivals because he thought they were dirty.

 

[21stamps]

So you are saying its more difficult to keep clean when people are more self aware and respectful of others property?

No he's just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Because heaven forbid something new may happen which could benefit all. Better to just tear it apart before it even gets implemented.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So you are saying its more difficult to keep clean when people are more self aware and respectful of others property?

I'm saying your premesis is false. People were not more respectful. This is recounted in the many notes of Disney's cleanliness and their efforts to keep things clean.

No he's just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Because heaven forbid something new may happen which could benefit all. Better to just tear it apart before it even gets implemented.

You're reading comprehension really does suck. I still haven't said anything about new being a problem. That is your own little delusion.

 

[drizgirl]

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Wow, that's pretty snarky.

Actually incorrect. When DL opened people were much more respectful of others property. Heck people even dressed up to go to DL.

I have no doubt that people are less clean and respectful of others' property. But Disney knows that too. And they need to staff accordingly.

 

[drizgirl]

IOur society is fixated on new and improved. Problem is that it may not be an improvement.

I really do think there are a number of tech fanboys in the world who think anything that involves new technology is inherently better. I just happen to disagree. There are great uses of technology and poor uses of it. But adding high tech to a low tech job does not in and of itself mean it will be better.

 

[21stamps]

I'm saying your premesis is false. People were not more respectful. This is recounted in the many notes of Disney's cleanliness and their efforts to keep things clean.


You're reading comprehension really does suck. I still haven't said anything about new being a problem. That is your own little delusion.

When you learn how to answer a direct question then we can have a discussion. Until then I see your posts to me as completely pointless...and always an insult to avoid actually providing an answer.
Deflection. I get it, I just can't conversate with someone who constantly uses it.
Aka- you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you don't even know, or can not articulate, what you are actually complaining about.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I'm saying your premesis is false. People were not more respectful. This is recounted in the many notes of Disney's cleanliness and their efforts to keep things clean.

You're reading comprehension really does suck. I still haven't said anything about new being a problem. That is your own little delusion.

Comprehension aside, your statement that people were not more respectful is dead, flat, and unequivocally wrong. There, of course, were always people that were slobs, nothing new about that, but, they didn't frequent respectable places and mess them up. Walt wanting to have a clean place, is just another way of saying a respectable place were people with manners and awareness of others would not be tempted to go to a place that had different expectations. They would not be wanted there. Today, anything goes. Knowing that there would be some going anyway was why he had it set up for crews to be there to keep it clean so that the more civilized of the populous would be encouraged to go there. The numbers of people needed to do that have increased because of the laxness of the Disney policies, not that they don't have enough staffing. They don't but it is a waste of time. No one cares anymore about the beauty of the place.

I noticed when in Europe that most of the "tourist" places were clean, but, the rest of the cities were wall to wall graffiti. Something that wasn't seen 40 years ago when people had respect for the property of others.

 

[lazyboy97o]

When you learn how to answer a direct question then we can have a discussion. Until then I see your posts to me as completely pointless...and always an insult to avoid actually providing an answer.
Deflection. I get it, I just can't conversate with someone who constantly uses it.
Aka- you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you don't even know, or can not articulate, what you are actually complaining about.

And what direct question has gone unanswered?

Comprehension aside, your statement that people were not more respectful is dead, flat, and unequivocally wrong. There, of course, were always people that were slobs, nothing new about that, but, they didn't frequent respectable places and mess them up. Walt wanting to have a clean place, is just another way of saying a respectable place were people with manners and awareness of others would not be tempted to go to a place that had different expectations. They would not be wanted there. Today, anything goes. Knowing that there would be some going anyway was why he had it set up for crews to be there to keep it clean so that the more civilized of the populous would be encouraged to go there. The numbers of people needed to do that have increased because of the laxness of the Disney policies, not that they don't have enough staffing. They don't but it is a waste of time. No one cares anymore about the beauty of the place.

I noticed when in Europe that most of the "tourist" places were clean, but, the rest of the cities were wall to wall graffiti. Something that wasn't seen 40 years ago when people had respect for the property of others.

The significant efforts that Fisney had to undertake to keep Disneyland and Walt Disney World clean are documented. There would be no need for such efforts if people were so much better behaved. The conception of and "fight against" littering, including such famous inages as the Crying Indian and "Don't Mess with Texas," would have been pointless nor would they have been deemed effective. There are plenty of places that remain clean in the present, including cities that were once infamous for their blight in years past.

 

[21stamps]

And what direct question has gone unanswered?


The significant efforts that Fisney had to undertake to keep Disneyland and Walt Disney World clean are documented. There would be no need for such efforts if people were so much better behaved. The conception of and "fight against" littering, including such famous inages as the Crying Indian and "Don't Mess with Texas," would have been pointless nor would they have been deemed effective. There are plenty of places that remain clean in the present, including cities that were once infamous for their blight in years past.

What your exact issue with this plan is. Which I asked right before your clever 'reading comprehension' response. .
You said- It's not because it's "new" and- it's not because it's "technology", and- it's not because of the possibility of a "glitch". There hasn't been any plans of layoffs announced, so it can't be that.. So what is your actual problem with the "Janitors with iPhones" plan? What are you debating about?

 

[lazyboy97o]

What your exact issue with this plan is. Which I asked right before your clever 'reading comprehension' response. .
You said- It's not because it's "new" and- it's not because it's "technology", and- it's not because of the possibility of a "glitch". There hasn't been any plans of layoffs announced, so it can't be that.. So what is your actual problem with the "Janitors with iPhones" plan? What are you debating about?

I have repeatedly stated I doubt Disney's ability to maintain the sensors that make such a system useful and effective. Secondary to that would be the likelihood of decreased service above even current levels because, despite you thinking it ridiculous, area restrooms having a custodian assigned to them for most of the day is not new or uncommon in the present at Walt Disney World.

The article answers this, sensors will make counts and then based on those counts they will alert a janitor. This is the part that is truly laughable. Disney does not have a good track record keeping such equipment working. They can't even keep up with the trim lighting on their flagship hotel but someone thinks hundreds of sensors in bathrooms and trash cans will be well maintained?

Where has anyone said anything close to "new is bad" or "technology is the enemy" in this thread? A person assigned to bathroom is not unusual at the Walt Disney World theme parks and from those who have worked such shifts they commonly note how they barely have time to do anything if they were so required. In order for such persons to use this technology they must be elsewhere which means the amount of time they spend cleaning a bathroom must be reduced. Then there is Disney's poor track record with such infrastructure. All of these new sensors will need to be maintained so that they are properly functioning.

A key point of this technology would be to reduce the regularity of such visual inspections.

Knowing that a sensor is malfunctioning is not something that will be readily noticeable by a visual inspection. It is also not the same category of equipment as other bathroom equipment.

Disney's poor history in maintaining [technology] infrastructure is hardly a nit. It is a broad, reoccurring pattern. A short test is not sufficient time to deal with the upkeep of the system.

 

[21stamps]

I have repeatedly stated I doubt Disney's ability to maintain the sensors that make such a system useful and effective. Secondary to that would be the likelihood of decreased service above even current levels because, despite you thinking it ridiculous, area restrooms having a custodian assigned to them for most of the day is not new or uncommon in the present at Walt Disney World.

Ok, so you're worried about all of the glitches that could come with the technology, or ability to maintain said technology. So you would rather not risk a more efficient process over what is currently there.
Got it. Thanks. I think I said that 3 pages ago.

I'm off to a Cub Scouts meeting. Have a wonderful night!

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I can't argue that people are slobs, but Disney has known this since it's inception.