Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Jrb1979]

Disney has a major problem here. Even if they announce additions to WDW, we likely won’t see anything opened for another 3-5 years and that’s after they begin which they haven’t yet so assume 2028 to 2030.

They may add some entertainment (night parade, etc) and are redoing test track, but what is going to be the draw the next couple of years and with Epic open down the road?

Are they going to be stagnant AND raise prices when they need more guests in the parks? That is a recipe for even more problems. That is my concern.

Agreed. IMO a lot of it is due to spending so much money trying to get D+ going that they decided to neglect the parks and charge more to cover D+ losses.

 

[Nubs70]

Crystal Palace today at 8:45 am:

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There is room for a ball pit.

 

[Lilofan]

As attendance falls I see the current administration doubling down with higher prices, reducing staff, implementing new charges, eliminating or charging for the few remaining "free" perks, reducing hours, slowing of routine maintenance. Gotta keep Wall Street happy making profits

Its called " quarterly capitalism " to impress the Street. Disney isn't the only player in this game.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Its called " quarterly capitalism " to impress the Street. Disney isn't the only player in this game.

Where’s the line though. Or have they already seen it and now feeling it

 

[GhostHost1000]

I wonder what this chart would look like now

 

[Trauma]

Can one of the resident spin artists put some pixie dust on this.

The way I see it we are entering into dark times for the parks.

 

[JD80]

Can one of the resident spin artists put some pixie dust on this.

The way I see it we are entering into dark times for the parks.

Your clearly depressed, the only way I can help is say that maybe you should take a break from the boards and social media. Like for a month.

 

[Tha Realest]

Your clearly depressed, the only way I can help is say that maybe you should take a break from the boards and social media. Like for a month.

*You’re.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Disney has a major problem here. Even if they announce additions to WDW, we likely won’t see anything opened for another 3-5 years and that’s after they begin which they haven’t yet so assume 2028 to 2030.

They have plenty of options if they want to spend some money - filling the parks with characters and live entertainment is an easy quick fix. They could add a nighttime show to DAK and make the shows at MK, DHS, and Epcot more elaborate.

Adding parades, even if they are small and basic by Disney standards, would also help. DAK, DHS, and Epcot could all use them.

 

[John park hopper]

They have plenty of options if they want to spend some money - filling the parks with characters and live entertainment is an easy quick fix. They could add a nighttime show to DAK and make the shows at MK, DHS, and Epcot more elaborate.

Adding parades, even if they are small and basic by Disney standards, would also help. DAK, DHS, and Epcot could all use them.

Key

They have plenty of options if they want to spend some money

They don't

 

[mje1064]

I guess no extended hours are going to be add for the next 2 weeks or so for the parks. Must be another indication they expecting lighter crowds to continue for a while.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Now, imagine that new projects are being filtered strictly through a lens of marketability... capacity and gues experience be dawned.

The pot is getting smaller.

 

[Nubs70]

I wonder what this chart would look like now

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1st - the chart needs to be fleshed out to 2023-2025 median home income.

Now the median home income has to be adjusted for the reduction in purchasing power as the result of inflation.

A reasonable guesstimate would be:
1. Keeping ticket price fixed at 2015-2016 level.
2. Reducing MHI by 20% due to inflation. Thus dropping MHI to the 5% level on the secondary y-axis.

Effectively placing MHI in the 2005.- 2006 region with a ticket price in the 2015-2016 region.

WDW has an expection of 2016 ticket prices on a 2006 median home income.

 

[JD80]

Those estimates are not going to be accurate.

 

[jpeden]

Now, imagine that new projects are being filtered strictly through a lens of marketability... capacity and gues experience be dawned.

Thr pot is getting smaller.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And failing to understand the value of incremental sales.

…it’s why they bother to open every morning

This concept seems elusive to so many

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll gladly step in as needed.

I’ve said for years…I’ll take a room at Boardwalk and unlimited chicken fingers…

I don’t even need them to pay for my yacht

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They have plenty of options if they want to spend some money - filling the parks with characters and live entertainment is an easy quick fix. They could add a nighttime show to DAK and make the shows at MK, DHS, and Epcot more elaborate.

Adding parades, even if they are small and basic by Disney standards, would also help. DAK, DHS, and Epcot could all use them.

$10,000 a week is a little past Mickey and some boomy things

Disney climbed the price mountain…and is now getting buried under its own avalanche

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder what this chart would look like now

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It’s bonkers out of whack…we’ve seen similar charts littered across threads the last few years

Can one of the resident spin artists put some pixie dust on this.

The way I see it we are entering into dark times for the parks.

…oh…they’ll try to get around it…

Your clearly depressed, the only way I can help is say that maybe you should take a break from the boards and social media. Like for a month.

…right on queue

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

They have plenty of options if they want to spend some money - filling the parks with characters and live entertainment is an easy quick fix. They could add a nighttime show to DAK and make the shows at MK, DHS, and Epcot more elaborate.

Adding parades, even if they are small and basic by Disney standards, would also help. DAK, DHS, and Epcot could all use them.

I think that’s only going to stop the bleeding though, not encourage people to book extra trips.

The “revenge travel” boom was great for Disney the last couple years but I think it threw off the normal travel cycle, rather than 25% of their audience coming annually on a 4 year cycle they had 50% come each of the last 2 years, now that everyone has gone the last couple years I don’t think something as minor as more characters or parades is going to convince them to spend thousands more on an extra trip before their next normal increment trip in a couple years.

Disney should have seen this coming and planned for it, instead they raised prices, took away perks, and nickel and dimed their guests, not only did they not plan for the inevitable decrease in demand but they alienated a lot of people in the process by charging more for less during the boom.