Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[PREMiERdrum]

I think I've seen you post about this before, but I may be confused. Is the resort as a whole near the point when restaurants start being open only a few days a week, etc.? I know Toledo has been like that for years, but I can't think of another one.

Capacity and staffing have been cut at a not insignificant number of restaurants over the past few months. I wouldn't be shocked for a couple spots to go offline after summer if things don't pick up.

Any idea of what percentage of the resorts is offline?

I don't know of a cumulative number, although I'm sure one exists. The quality of data I hear varies by individual resort, but it's not hard to spot just about anywhere.

 

[pigglewiggle]

Capacity and staffing have been cut at a not insignificant number of restaurants over the past few months. I wouldn't be shocked for a couple spots to go offline after summer if things don't pick up.


I don't know of a cumulative number, although I'm sure one exists. The quality of data I hear varies by individual resort, but it's not hard to spot just about anywhere.

Ah. That's too bad. We won't be back until 2027 at the earliest so was hoping to have a great trip.
Thank you.

 

[nestface84]

If wait time are down I’m fine with this. Hopefully it continues so you can do more in the day. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to have a crowd and an atmosphere.

 

[Drdcm]

Capacity and staffing have been cut at a not insignificant number of restaurants over the past few months. I wouldn't be shocked for a couple spots to go offline after summer if things don't pick up.


I don't know of a cumulative number, although I'm sure one exists. The quality of data I hear varies by individual resort, but it's not hard to spot just about anywhere.

Do you know what they’re trying to do to address it? It doesn’t seem like they’re really doing anything

 

[rtmachine]

All they have to do is give free FP+ or now ILL's and those rooms will be booked, even at higher prices..plenty of people would gladly pay more to stay on property if they were guaranteed rides each day

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Do you know what they’re trying to do to address it? It doesn’t seem like they’re really doing anything

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

 

[Lilofan]

Capacity and staffing have been cut at a not insignificant number of restaurants over the past few months. I wouldn't be shocked for a couple spots to go offline after summer if things don't pick up.


I don't know of a cumulative number, although I'm sure one exists. The quality of data I hear varies by individual resort, but it's not hard to spot just about anywhere.

85% used to be defcon 2 level catastrophic

Defcon 3 or 4 had to be when we were there shortly after 9/11. At MGM , Fantasmic only performed a few nights a week and Prime Time was open on Tue Thu Sat and and Hollywood and Vine was open on Mon Wed Fri Sun as some of the cutbacks.

 

[Laketravis]

Empty parks yet both 7am VQ's are gone in a matter of seconds?

 

[CntrlFlPete]

A broken system. Ever since they got rid of the lanyard they would have to guests entering the queue, they make a rough estimate of wait based on the length of the line

I just not get how anyone can say they can judge the wait time by looking at the queue length, no clue how Disney would be able to teach folks to get it correct. I say this for I do not know how one knows the queue configuration, number of switchbacks open, cemetery by pass open or closed at the HM. Sure Disney would know this, but could they train folks to know different markers based on floor space being used for the queue?

My last post already discounted the reason about selling G+

OK -
Not inflated to sell G+
Not encouraged or desired by Disney to inflate wait times, even if it makes folks feel better when its posted at 65 and you only wait 41 minutes.

Form my last post that leaves -
A honest mistake?
A broken system?

I think there is a LOT you are leaving in your evaluation.

IT was mentioned as well as GENI + sales. The data folks would have designed algorithms to estimate wait times. Those equation MIGHT assume a certain amount of LL usage w/o updating based on attendance, usage of time slots open/close to expiring and/or actual GENI+ sales. Let's say 10 minutes here/this is where I feel one can luck out against the posted time if LL use is lightly than predicated

There is a possibility that the consultants told them they could increase customer SAT scores by padding the time a bit and beating the expectation they offered you. I could see this being 5 to 10 minutes.

I know nothing about how Disney does things.

I guess it would fall as broken, but really it is how it is designed regardless of how one looks at it. My guess is their big data folks are not as able to wrangle the proper data points they need or they are not giving the budget/time to deliver the correct code/formulas/properly used statistics.

 

[CntrlFlPete]

forgot to add -- CM's are blocked out of MK.

It's Friday, the holiday weekend starts tomorrow.

Everyone is at Springs for the drone show.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Empty parks yet both 7am VQ's are gone in a matter of seconds?

Yep…tron was “gone” at 7:00:02

Something “ain’t right”

 

[Joel]

Empty parks yet both 7am VQ's are gone in a matter of seconds?

The parks aren't empty. Everyone is just trying to avoid @Sirwalterraleigh. A lot of CMs getting paid to listen to unsolicited opinions about "sweater boy" and the sequel trilogy today, God bless 'em.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The parks aren't empty. Everyone is just trying to avoid @Sirwalterraleigh. A lot of CMs getting paid to listen to unsolicited opinions about "sweater boy" and the sequel trilogy today, God bless 'em.

They can run…but they can’t hide

MK and Epcot both empty today…fyi

 

[George]

Empty parks yet both 7am VQ's are gone in a matter of seconds?

But you can forget at 1 PM, look at your phone at 1:08 think “Oh $@&?”, and then join a VQ that has a boarding group number that will likely overlap with your early dinner when it comes up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Do you know what they’re trying to do to address it? It doesn’t seem like they’re really doing anything

When you have an ego maniac that’s gonna “re-retire” whenever the winds shifts…there’s zero incentive to care

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But you can forget at 1 PM, look at your phone at 1:08 think “Oh $@&?”, and then join a VQ that has a boarding group number that will likely overlap with your early dinner when it comes up.

Yep…happened today

Got the 1 for tron and it was recalled at 3:55

Pass

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All they have to do is give free FP+ or now ILL's and those rooms will be booked, even at higher prices..plenty of people would gladly pay more to stay on property if they were guaranteed rides each day

I’m not so sure…

I think that “old trick” has left the stable for good

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Defcon 3 or 4 had to be when we were there shortly after 9/11. At MGM , Fantasmic only performed a few nights a week and Prime Time was open on Tue Thu Sat and and Hollywood and Vine was open on Mon Wed Fri Sun as some of the cutbacks.

Fun fact, bud…things were slow long before September 2001

 

[Lilofan]

Fun fact, bud…things were slow long before September 2001

But it took a major event for MGM to shorten up multiple offerings.

 

[lentesta]

What confuses me in this topic is I believe @lentesta says wait time are mostly accurate, but everyone who is posting here from the parks says otherwise. ( As has been my personal experience )

I’m tagging lentesta because I can be completely wrong, and don’t want to put words in his mouth.

Ah, thanks for the tag.

I don't think wait times are particularly accurate - you can't predict actual waits from them, for example, with anything close to the level of accuracy you'd need to believe them.

The problem is this: for every accurate posted wait time, and every posted wait time that's, you know, a fixed 125% of the actual wait, you get a posted wait that's 100% higher than the actual wait. For the same attraction on the same day.