Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Jrb1979]

See 41 minutes is in my range for Mine train.

You bring up a good point.

The posted wait times are FAKE to make folks want to buy Genie+ and ILL!!!!!!

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. The reason they are inaccurate has nothing to do with that. They don't have a system to properly tell wait times in the past when they had the red lanyard system. Now it's just an estimate based on checkpoints in the queues.

 

[Jrb1979]

I'm curious why it would be packed on what is many people's last day of school? Do most people skip that?

Why are other parks busy today on the last day of school? If it was busy there would little availability for resorts all weekend.

 

[Trauma]

See 41 minutes is in my range for Mine train.

You bring up a good point.

The posted wait times are FAKE to make folks want to buy Genie+ and ILL!!!!!!

What confuses me in this topic is I believe @lentesta says wait time are mostly accurate, but everyone who is posting here from the parks says otherwise. ( As has been my personal experience )

I’m tagging lentesta because I can be completely wrong, and don’t want to put words in his mouth.

 

[Laketravis]

…exactly

All restaurant reservations available after 4:30 pm

Except for Space 220, I bet?

ETA: I just checked and there are non available for a party of 2 or 4.....but there is for a party of 6.

 

[Grimley1968]

What confuses me in this topic is I believe @lentesta says wait time are mostly accurate, but everyone who is posting here from the parks says otherwise. ( As has been my personal experience )

I’m tagging lentesta because I can be completely wrong, and don’t want to put words in his mouth.

I agree with this. I think sometimes the posted wait time seems inflated to guests after they complete a ride because an event happens (lunch time, trying to make a scheduled ride elsewhere, etc.) occurs while in line that causes people to leave the line, and the wait ends up being reduced by a few minutes. I also think they'll always round up wait times rather than round down, just to manage guest expectations to some degree.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What confuses me in this topic is I believe @lentesta says wait time are mostly accurate, but everyone who is posting here from the parks says otherwise. ( As has been my personal experience )

I’m tagging lentesta because I can be completely wrong, and don’t want to put words in his mouth.

@Sirwalterraleigh proved today that at least the mine train posted wait time was FAKE.

Disney's system for calculating wait times is either broken or they are inflating times on purpose.

Both possibilities I can believe.

 

[James Alucobond]

Why are other parks busy today on the last day of school? If it was busy there would little availability for resorts all weekend.

What other parks? I don’t see any sort of comparative analysis in the past few pages. As for your second sentence, it doesn’t make sense to me. Typo maybe?

 

[Grimley1968]

MK's emptiness stands even more starkly against the expectation that this weekend may otherwise set travel records for Memorial Day weekend.

 

[Epcot81Fan]

So the parks are dead but look at the wait times.

It’s time for the hardcore to come to terms with the fact that WDW is currently a terrible product.

People are going to be put off, in the social media age bad word of mouth spreads quicker than it use too.

How does the most important division of the company have no leadership?

The only plan that they seem to have is raise prices, raise prices, raise prices.

It’s like they are trying to put on a masterclass in how to destroy brand loyalty.

What are you doing Disney?

The parks are run by revenue management people, not showmen.

They only understand and concern themselves about squeezing more per cap out of every person who comes, not ensuring they leave as ambassadors of the product.

Once people understand this fundamental difference, all of the rest of their decisions make "sense", but expecting them to care about guest experience, "wow'ing" their guests, or positive word of mouth is not even on their radar screen of concerns.

 

[Jrb1979]

What other parks? I don’t see any sort of comparative analysis in the past few pages. As for your second sentence, it doesn’t make sense to me. Typo maybe?

There is no comparative analysis going on. Just pointing out other parks across the country are busy today so they do take kids out of school.

As far as my second sentence, it pertains to this weekend as a whole. Resorts have lots of availability so today is just the beginning to most likely a quiet weekend.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@Sirwalterraleigh proved today that at least the mine train posted wait time was FAKE.

Disney's system for calculating wait times is either broken or they are inflating times on purpose.

Both possibilities I can believe.

I don’t think it’s fake

I think it’s completely dependent on how many they sell each day.

Wasn’t a lot…it seems

 

[James Alucobond]

There is no comparative analysis going on. Just pointing out other parks across the country are busy today so they do take kids out of school.

I assumed there would be actual evidence of this somewhere in the past few pages if you were just going to toss it out as fact. Also, most people have to hop on a flight to WDW or Universal, whereas many other parks draw a larger proportion of their guests from regional attendees.

As far as my second sentence, it pertains to this weekend as a whole. Resorts have lots of availability so today is just the beginning to most likely a quiet weekend.

We’ve known bookings were soft for a long time. That hasn’t always directly correlated to in-park attendance these days when some of the resorts are as overpriced as they are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No Pooh, no Space, and the longest wait time at MK right now is 65 for PPF and 70 for Mine Train. Wow...

And they are still inflated from the aggregate crowd levels. But it’s not like I’ve been watching crowds in this swamp for decades

Hmmmm....

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And empty room is worth $0 - a lot more

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don’t think it’s fake

I think it’s completely dependent on how many they sell each day.

Wasn’t a lot…it seems

@Sirwalterraleigh what are we defining a posted 65 minute wait time that is actually 41 for the mine train?

If its not FAKE, what do we call when this happens?
A honest mistake?
A broken system?
A inflated time to make folks feel better when its posted at 65 and you only wait 41 and not to sell G+?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If anyone wants to debate the crowds…I can call you from trader Sam’s and fill you in later

DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!!

I see some are just not getting it…

 

[Grimley1968]

Mobbed!! Unprecedented demand!!!

Make sure you don't go to the Poly for a mid afternoon meal today. That was shown to be packed to the rafters the other day.

ETA: sorry I didn't see you're seriously going to the Poly today until just now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@Sirwalterraleigh what are we defining a posted 65 minute wait time that is actually 41 for the mine train?

If its not FAKE, what do we call when this happens?
A honest mistake?
A broken system?
A inflated time to make folks feel better when its posted at 65 and you only wait 41 and not to sell G+?

I think Disney IT isn’t nearly as intuitive as we assume.

I think it assumes X amount of lighting lane sales…and they are coming in under today

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Make sure you don't go to the Poly for a mid afternoon meal today. That was shown to be packed to the rafters the other day.

I’m staying there…no issues. Like an hour wait for trader sams when we checked in

Damn near every restaurant available tonight

It’s eerie

 

[Jrb1979]

@Sirwalterraleigh what are we defining a posted 65 minute wait time that is actually 41 for the mine train?

If its not FAKE, what do we call when this happens?
A honest mistake?
A broken system?
A inflated time to make folks feel better when its posted at 65 and you only wait 41 and not to sell G+?

A broken system. Ever since they got rid of the lanyard they would have to guests entering the queue, they make a rough estimate of wait based on the length of the line

 

[HauntedPirate]

Hmmmm....

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