Rumor Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?

justintheharris

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I could see OG Imagination coming back as along with Horizons, it is the one ride that constantly gets the most requests to return. Though I can see imageworks getting gutted for more meet and greets and the theatre remaining as a permanent preview center.

EDIT: Also that tweet is probably going to be the generic response when someone asks about the epcot attractions for a while.
Very few people outside of this forum care about Horizons or the original Journey Into Imagination. The average Disney guest today likely didn’t ride either and both concepts would be horrifically dated in the 2020s.
 

WondersOfLife

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Very few people outside of this forum care about Horizons or the original Journey Into Imagination. The average Disney guest today likely didn’t ride either and both concepts would be horrifically dated in the 2020s.
As true as this is, and as much as I agree with you... Get ready for all the historical Epcot fanboys to jump all over you... They don't like the "average Disney guest" argument, even though it is a valid point. Disney is not catering to the historical fan club anymore. They're wanting to appeal to the modern age of "give me as many characters as possible" crowd. Which is fair. From a business perspective. Just not fair to the loyal fanbase perspective.

Figment does not make as much money as Nightmare Before Christmas, Incredibles, Marvel, and Star Wars merchandise. I'm willing to bet on it. (Sadly.)
 

justintheharris

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As true as this is, and as much as I agree with you... Get ready for all the historical Epcot fanboys to jump all over you... They don't like the "average Disney guest" argument, even though it is a valid point. Disney is not catering to the historical fan club anymore. They're wanting to appeal to the modern age of "give me as many characters as possible" crowd. Which is fair. From a business perspective. Just not fair to the loyal fanbase perspective.

Figment does not make as much money as Nightmare Before Christmas, Incredibles, Marvel, and Star Wars merchandise. I'm willing to bet on it. (Sadly.)
I don’t care for what the epcot fanboys say anymore. The joke is on them at the end of the day because the whole point of Epcot was progress and most of them wanted no change to the epcot of 1989. So... the whole point of the park flew right over their head.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Very few people outside of this forum care about Horizons or the original Journey Into Imagination. The average Disney guest today likely didn’t ride either and both concepts would be horrifically dated in the 2020s.
Doesn’t matter. Virtually no one knew or cared for them before 1983 either.

Build an unbelievable, original and state of the art attraction and it will become legend.
 

justintheharris

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Doesn’t matter. Virtually no one knew or cared for them before 1983 either.

Build an unbelievable, original and state of the art attraction and it will become legend.
Yes but Epcot was built as a permanent World’s fair. Which are meant to continuously evolve. And everyone on here seems to believe the park should serve their childhood nostalgia. When I was 10, I loved Epcot. But it’s 2019 and it’s dated and sad. And notice everyone wants the old Journey Into Imagination. Nobody wants to see it be done with new technology or updated for 2019. Everyone here wants the 1983 version. So much for progress...
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Yes but Epcot was built as a permanent World’s fair. Which are meant to continuously evolve. And everyone on here seems to believe the park should serve their childhood nostalgia. When I was 10, I loved Epcot. But it’s 2019 and it’s dated and sad. And notice everyone wants the old Journey Into Imagination. Nobody wants to see it be done with new technology or updated for 2019. Everyone here wants the 1983 version. So much for progress...

You really won’t give up the “everyone wants the 1983 version” lie, will you?
 

trainplane3

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Yes but Epcot was built as a permanent World’s fair. Which are meant to continuously evolve. And everyone on here seems to believe the park should serve their childhood nostalgia. When I was 10, I loved Epcot. But it’s 2019 and it’s dated and sad. And notice everyone wants the old Journey Into Imagination. Nobody wants to see it be done with new technology or updated for 2019. Everyone here wants the 1983 version. So much for progress...
Because they straight up stopped spending money on the attractions to make them relevant. There should be a set timetable for updates and refurbs but everything got stale instead.

And that's very far from being a "only here" situation. Take a look on Disney's social media anytime something imagination comes up. 90% of the posts are either "bring back the original" or "bring back Dreamfinder" or even people sharing pictures of the D+F meet and greet. Nearly everyone in my age group remembers the original because it was vastly superior to what we have today. The literal only redeeming features is the fact Figment is still there and "One Little Spark" lives on. Do I want the original back? I guess. Would I rather have something brand new but in the spirit of what made the original Imagination so great and D+F? Yes.

Riding the original and coming back to the 2nd version was pure shock. Little me easily remembers the cast working the attraction looking depressed and my parents with their mouths wide open when the lights came on and it said "get off". The lack of a catchy song, random crap set pieces, and the purely unnecessary explosion "jump scare" at the end. It was as low effort as Cedar Point was at taking care of Disaster Transport's theming. Came back 2 years later and my reaction was "still pure 💩 but not as bad as the 2nd version". The ride barely encourages imagination and they shove it in your face the entire time. I'd call that a failure for a ride based around imagination.
 

justintheharris

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Because they straight up stopped spending money on the attractions to make them relevant. There should be a set timetable for updates and refurbs but everything got stale instead.

And that's very far from being a "only here" situation. Take a look on Disney's social media anytime something imagination comes up. 90% of the posts are either "bring back the original" or "bring back Dreamfinder" or even people sharing pictures of the D+F meet and greet. Nearly everyone in my age group remembers the original because it was vastly superior to what we have today. The literal only redeeming features is the fact Figment is still there and "One Little Spark" lives on. Do I want the original back? I guess. Would I rather have something brand new but in the spirit of what made the original Imagination so great and D+F? Yes.

Riding the original and coming back to the 2nd version was pure shock. Little me easily remembers the cast working the attraction looking depressed and my parents with their mouths wide open when the lights came on and it said "get off". The lack of a catchy song, random crap set pieces, and the purely unnecessary explosion "jump scare" at the end. It was as low effort as Cedar Point was at taking care of Disaster Transport's theming. Came back 2 years later and my reaction was "still pure 💩 but not as bad as the 2nd version". The ride barely encourages imagination and they shove it in your face the entire time. I'd call that a failure for a ride based around imagination.
Even if they continuously update them, nearly every update or addition arouses a revolt among epcot fans.
 

justintheharris

Well-Known Member
You really won’t give up the “everyone wants the 1983 version” lie, will you?
It’s not a lie. It’s true. Even if you guys are pretending like you’re open to an updated 2019 version, I guarantee when it opens the whole forum will erupt with complaints like “eww, screens!” and “It’s still not as good as the original!”
 

justintheharris

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You really won’t give up the “everyone wants the 1983 version” lie, will you?
And everyone doesn’t call for new rides. They call for the original Journey Into Imagination, the original Living Seas, the original Test Track, Horizons, Universe of Energy, Maelstrom and the original Soarin’. This is 100% related to a niche market of childhood nostalgia for older Disney fans and almost completely unrelated to the quality of the parks.
 
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marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Yes but Epcot was built as a permanent World’s fair. Which are meant to continuously evolve. And everyone on here seems to believe the park should serve their childhood nostalgia. When I was 10, I loved Epcot. But it’s 2019 and it’s dated and sad. And notice everyone wants the old Journey Into Imagination. Nobody wants to see it be done with new technology or updated for 2019. Everyone here wants the 1983 version. So much for progress...
Incorrect. Only the company didn’t want to progress.

Most people I know, myself included, would say (and have done on these boards in the past) that the 1982 Park would be hopelessly outdated today. It’d be a joke.

What I do want is a park equivalent to what was originally built but with today’s technology - and aiming for the same ambition, scale and sheer wow factor the original had but for today.

Try a thread search for the multiple discussions about having JII rebuilt using LPS and digital projection. For example.

Unless you can prove your statement “nobody wants to see it be done with new technology”?
 
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Inspired Figment

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It’s not a lie. It’s true. Even if you guys are pretending like you’re open to an updated 2019 version, I guarantee when it opens the whole forum will erupt with complaints like “eww, screens!” and “It’s still not as good as the original!”
To be fair... there’s a way you could bring the original attraction back but with upgraded scenery & show scenes, a remastered version of the original soundtrack, new animatronics, and enhanced special effects... ala DL’s Great Moments with Mr Lincoln or the upgrades done to DL’s Fantasyland rides. That’s possible..
and if you wanted to, you could completely upgrade the old ImageWorks with completely new, innovative technology and activities. That’s a ‘2019 version of the original’, Just sayin’.
I don’t really understand why everyone is so split and doesn’t think to try and bring both visions and preferences together in such a way where it appeals to everyone. But I digress.
 
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Inspired Figment

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PS: It doesn’t *exactly* have to be “going back” either. It can be a *new* Journey Into Imagination ride, with elements from the original and the recent comic series put in. Heck, if you wanted to. Since Figment *has* met and interacted with film IP characters before in the Language Arts Through Imagination short films (like Alice & Peter Pan for instance). (Not to mention Dr. Channing from Honey, I Shrunk the Audience and some of other film characters featured in the Institute) It *could* technically be utilized properly without it being intrusive.
Think Disneyland’s treatment of It’s a Small World. You can see various small cameos in the form of items or small appearances. And it still works, as it’s based on the theme of abstract thoughts and all the creative realms.
*Infact*, you can actually find concept art of the original Literature scene that utilizes the Cheshire Cat for the ‘Cat/Bat’ shadow illusion gag. And a section with an open comic featuring Spider Man. (i’m Not even kidding. I’ll try to find this artwork and post it here later). But it can easily work.

And you know how at the end, after exploring each creative realm, Figment ultimately decides to take all he learned and apply that to becoming a “film” star (*cough cough* Kodak film. Lol) and we get to see him imagine himself in different roles? As a cowboy, a super hero, an ice climber, a scientist, a pirate, etc.)
Now who’s to say you couldn’t change that slightly to have Figment imagine himself as different Disney film character roles. Say instead of a pirate, you could have Figment dressed in the role of Jack Sparrow fighting Davey Jones, or Figment imagining himself as Woody riding on Bullseye alongside Jessie. Why not Figment climbing the ice tower/castle with Olaf or Elsa? Why not Figment imagine himself as Rocket with the Guardians of the Galaxy (synergy. LOL).

It works.. it can be reimagined and not completely destroy the spirit or theme of the original ride. It can still be done in a cohesive and non-intrusive,respectful way
I feel like this is the best direction to go. It’d Be cheaper budget wise than going with something *completely* new. It’d appeal to the purists that want the original classic experience, it’d appeal to the general park goers and newbies who haven’t experienced the original before by being a refreshed, 2019 version of the experience, and it’d appeal to the IP obsessed CEOs that want everything tied to franchises, without being intrusive.
 
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