Rumor Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?

Inspired Figment

Inspired Figment

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PS: If the only people that cared about the original Journey into Imagination were folks within this forum. Then why does Figment merchandise continue to be released and sell so well? Why did those Figment origin story comic books sell so well a couple years ago? Why do people still continuously clamor for an upgraded version of the original attraction & Dreamfinder’s return nearly every time something Figment or Epcot related is posted on Disney’s social media. The list goes on.
The Audience is clearly a lot larger than some of you assume.
 
Inspired Figment

Inspired Figment

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justintheharris said:
Even if they continuously update them, nearly every update or addition arouses a revolt among epcot fans.
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Perhaps it’s more telling of the execution of said updates or the nature of the update that’s the problem. The issue is they’re not taking guest feedback properly. Why are they not doing something in a way where both sides are listened to and satisfied. Why is there no proper balance? That’s the issue. The current company mindset is too narrow, risk-averse, and only taking feedback from *one* side and not the other.
The issue with the older properties is mostly a lack of proper marketing and exposure. If they were to improve and put more effort into the marketing, I’m positive there’d be an even larger audience for this stuff.
 
justintheharris

justintheharris

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marni1971 said:
Incorrect. Only the company didn’t want to progress.

Most people I know, myself included, would say (and have done on these boards in the past) that the 1982 Park would be hopelessly outdated today. It’d be a joke.

What I do want is a park equivalent to what was originally built but with today’s technology - and aiming for the same ambition, scale and sheer wow factor the original had but for today.

Try a thread search for the multiple discussions about having JII rebuilt using LPS and digital projection. For example.

Unless you can prove your statement “nobody wants to see it be done with new technology”?
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I can’t prove a negative. I’ll give you that. But I’ve never heard anyone suggest Imagination have a 2019 iteration. All I hear is about how we should bring Dreamfinder back and relive the glory days. And a park like epcot isn’t exactly possible anymore. We live in a post internet and cellphone world. Epcot would be hard pressed to find technology to display that I can’t find on a google search. Epcot needs a new approach which includes IPs and thrill rides. The harsh reality that nobody wants to face is that IP attractions usually attract more crowds than non-IP rides. Yes, plenty of non-IP rides are very popular. But Disney is benefiting from this IP craze
 
justintheharris

justintheharris

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Inspired Figment said:
Perhaps it’s more telling of the execution of said updates or the nature of the update that’s the problem. The issue is they’re not taking guest feedback properly. Why are they not doing something in a way where both sides are listened to and satisfied. Why is there no proper balance? That’s the issue. The current company mindset is too narrow, risk-averse, and only taking feedback from *one* side and not the other.
The issue with the older properties is mostly a lack of proper marketing and exposure. If they were to improve and put more effort into the marketing, I’m positive there’d be an even larger audience for this stuff.
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Because the demand for rides similar to the original Epcot attractions is not a 1/4 of what you probably think it is.
 
justintheharris

justintheharris

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marni1971 said:
Do you know how popular Motion was?

You keep arguing your point of view with little to back it up.
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World of Motion was among the first of the future world attractions to close. That’s usually an indication of popularity. Test Track still draws one of the longest lines in Epcot despite being decades old now.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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justintheharris said:
World of Motion was among the first of the future world attractions to close. That’s usually an indication of popularity. Test Track still draws one of the longest lines in Epcot despite being decades old now.
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It closed due to GM having to follow the contract which stipulated any re negotiated contract with GM -which this was - had to be for a new ride, not an overhaul.

Test Track was planned from 1992. I can testify how popular Motion still was in July 1993.

It also helps Test Track has around half the capacity that Motion had, even more so in a park that in the 90s had much more overall capacity than today.

Did you still want to discuss a new old Epcot using todays tech?
 
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FrankLapidus

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justintheharris said:
I can’t prove a negative. I’ll give you that. But I’ve never heard anyone suggest Imagination have a 2019 iteration. All I hear is about how we should bring Dreamfinder back and relive the glory days. And a park like epcot isn’t exactly possible anymore. We live in a post internet and cellphone world. Epcot would be hard pressed to find technology to display that I can’t find on a google search. Epcot needs a new approach which includes IPs and thrill rides. The harsh reality that nobody wants to face is that IP attractions usually attract more crowds than non-IP rides. Yes, plenty of non-IP rides are very popular. But Disney is benefiting from this IP craze
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How about a 2019 iteration with the Dreamfinder?

We don't all want Epcot Center from the 1980's resurrected as it was then - some of us just aren't so creatively constrained and IP obsessed that we believe there is only one way to improve the parks.
 
eddie104

eddie104

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FrankLapidus said:
How about a 2019 iteration with the Dreamfinder?

We don't all want Epcot Center from the 1980's resurrected as it was then - some of us just aren't so creatively constrained and IP obsessed that we believe there is only one way to improve the parks.
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But unfortunately you know were probably not getting that. I mean Figment is a iconic character that deserves a presence in the park but I don’t see today’s Disney rebuilding it to today’s standards.
 
justintheharris

justintheharris

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marni1971 said:
It closed due to GM having to follow the contract which stipulated any re negotiated contract with GM -which this was - had to be for a new ride, not an overhaul.

Test Track was planned from 1992. I can testify how popular Motion still was in July 1993.

It also helps Test Track has around half the capacity that Motion had, even more so in a park that in the 90s had much more overall capacity than today.

Did you still want to discuss a new old Epcot using todays tech?
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I don’t think it’s possible in terms of today’s technology and today’s culture. First, the interest among the general public isn’t there. And more importantly , Disney can’t consistently update epcot every year which is what would need to happen for it to remain relevant. And in an age of internet and smart phones, Disney would be hard pressed to find brand new innovative technology that I couldn’t find with ten minutes on google. It would be very difficult to amaze the general public at this point.
 

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