Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Domestic Box Office is now out for Thursday July 13th and it does seem to portend where Indy 5 will end up on its third weekend; down in 4th place and collapsing rather fast domestically and globally. Ouch.

And look at the Per Theater take for Indy compared to Mission: Impossible which is reportedly underperforming, and also the Per Theater take for Sound of Freedom which is reportedly overperforming. Double Ouch.

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The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024

Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024

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Just curious how do these numbers compare when we look at Indy 5 vs. MI7 opening weekends (vs Indy week 4)? I’m asking more hypothetically since it’s too early to project but that would gives us an apples-apples comparison.

For all the bluster I heard online about how MI7 was supposed to “eat Indy’s lunch” from what I can see both the 3 days and 5 day tracking for opening-to-opening will likely be comparable for both films with Indy even possibly over-performing on the 5-day (which is understandable when you account for the fact it opened over the July 4 holiday).

Now we just need to wait to see which film has better legs. But with Barbenheimer next weekend I’m not sure if I can see MI7 legging out the same as TG:Maverick or Mario did. It’s very early but it looks way more like John Wick 4 numbers to me.

 

[TP2000]

Just curious how do these numbers compare when we look at Indy 5 vs. MI7 opening weekends (vs Indy week 4)? I’m asking more hypothetically since it’s too early to project but that would gives us an apples-apples comparison.

For all the bluster I heard online about how MI7 was supposed to “eat Indy’s lunch” from what I can see both the 3 days and 5 day tracking for opening-to-opening will likely be comparable for both films with Indy even possibly over-performing on the 5-day (which is understandable when you account for the fact it opened over the July 4 holiday).

Now we just need to wait to see which film has better legs. But with Barbenheimer next weekend I’m not sure if I can see MI7 legging out the same as TG:Maverick or Mario did. It’s very early but it looks way more like John Wick 4 numbers to me.

Yes, by Sunday evening here we'll be able to create a chart using hard facts and official financial data to compare and contrast, adjusted for inflation, the last Indy in '08 vs. the last M:I in '18 vs. Indy 5 vs. latest M:I. There will be "Opening Weekend" totals for all four.

It should be an interesting comparison, as you point out. See you Sunday evening.

 

[Screamface]

but I liked it more than crystal skull for sure.

When was the last time you watched Crystal Skull?

I don't think Indy 5 is bad, but Crystal Skull was better. It had more of the Indiana Jones flourishes from Spielberg and Lucas. Indy 5 was just a mediocre film competently directed. Like a film made by AI. It just lacked a core aspect of the franchise. So is never terrible but just stuff happening.

I am surprised it's doing so poorly but that just speaks to the complete lack of faith in Disney and Lucasfilm. As well as the entire trust in Hollywood to be able to deliver on these franchises anymore.

 

[TP2000]

Friday box office is out. Indy 5 still stuck in 4th place with a big 57% drop from last Friday.

Pay absolutely no attention to the #2 movie in America this weekend. Don't even acknowledge it and it will go away.

The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024

Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024

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[celluloid]

Just curious how do these numbers compare when we look at Indy 5 vs. MI7 opening weekends (vs Indy week 4)? I’m asking more hypothetically since it’s too early to project but that would gives us an apples-apples comparison.

I mentioned this in the other thread, but the difference is the expectations of the studios. Mission Impossible 7 has an opening weekend that is pretty on par with the last six releases of the same title. It averages out to close. MI movies never have had big openings, they did typically have legs, and as you said, time will tell on that one.

Indy, plopped all around. It has the largest budget of any Indiana Jones Movie, it hyped the finale and was a herald to a return to Indiana Jones form after the panned Crystal skull film which still broke over 300 million domestically in 2008. International money for Indy so far does not look like it is rolling in either.

 

[Chi84]

Friday box office is out. Indy 5 still stuck in 4th place with a big 57% drop from last Friday.

Pay absolutely no attention to the #2 movie in America this weekend. Don't even acknowledge it and it will go away.

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I read the article - what’s wrong with the second movie?

 

[ParentsOf4]

I finally had time to see Indy 5.

Honestly, I don’t understand where all the bad reviews are coming from.

Having seen all 5 in movie theaters during their original runs, nothing is ever going to be as amazing as the first.

But the last 4? I’d rank them all about the same.

 

[TP2000]

I read the article - what’s wrong with the second movie?

It apparently upsets some people that it's doing so well.

I don't plan to see it myself, far too dark and creepy for my happy-go-lucky tastes. But it's tale at the American box office is fascinating. Especially when it showed up out of nowhere a few days after Indy 5's debut and immediately started beating Indy 5 at the box office.

It's bizarre.

 

[Chi84]

It apparently upsets some people that it's doing so well.

I don't plan to see it myself, far too dark and creepy for my happy-go-lucky tastes. But it's tale at the American box office is fascinating. Especially when it showed up out of nowhere a few days after Indy 5's debut and immediately started beating Indy 5 at the box office.

It's bizarre.

If it’s that dark and creepy it would probably upset me as well. I’m not surprised it’s doing well though. No accounting for taste.

 

[Phroobar]

It is weird that Sound of Freedom is 90% sold out today until 8pm then there is no one there. Are church groups doing field trips to it? If it is so full, it should be making far more. I didn't see Avatar 2 this full.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

MI is going to blow the doors of of Indy5. I think we all can agree.

Britney Spears blew the doors off of Pearl Jam.

 

[Dranth]

It is weird that Sound of Freedom is 90% sold out today until 8pm then there is no one there. Are church groups doing field trips to it? If it is so full, it should be making far more. I didn't see Avatar 2 this full.

They are near me. I don’t think of summer time as when I want to watch a movie about child trafficking. Prefer something a bit lighthearted then but whatever floats their boat.

As for Indy, I swore I wouldn’t see it but after some comments in here I went ahead and gave it a try. Glad I did. I haven’t decided how I feel completely yet but I‘m somewhere between good and okay. It was better than 4 by a mile to me and felt a lot like the 3rd movie in structure/pace but a bit long in a few spots. They really should have cut 5ish minutes from the opening and another 5 or so from the car chase.

Anyway, worth seeing if you are an Indy fan. The people complaining about ruining the character are seeing something I didn’t. They made Indy more believable, human and didn’t try to to push too far beyond what would be age appropriate. My guess is a lot of people went in ready to hate it and were going to be upset if it was anything short of the original.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Movie just ended. Very enjoyable. Felt like a classic Indy flick.

So happy we saw it.

Honestly, I don’t understand where all the bad reviews are coming from.

Same. It was a good Indy time. I liked it better than Crystal Skull.

I’m convinced people just like to hear themselves complain, and like to seem like they know better.

 

[tcool123]

I read the article - what’s wrong with the second movie?

So as mentioned above Angel Studios allows for people to "pay it forward" and purchase tickets for those who may not be able to afford a ticket. As of this post about 5,387,009 tickets have been purchased through this method ( https://www.angel.com/pay-it-forward/sound-of-freedom ) if we utilize the average ticket price for a movie in the USA which is currently $10.45 ( https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ ) then we get 56,398,744.05 or roughly currently 85.47% of the films entire gross so far. This likely isn't the exact scenario, but that is the dilemma some have - would this film be doing as strongly if the "pay it forward" feature was not implemented or if there was a cap to it?

This is at least what I have gathered from online discourse? Either way like others have mentioned this is not my kind of summer movie, but may check it out later in the year when its streaming

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

It's an interesting model... I wonder why Disney hasn't tried a thing like that... ya know, buy a movie for kids who can't afford it etc...

 

[MisterPenguin]

It is weird that Sound of Freedom is 90% sold out today until 8pm then there is no one there. Are church groups doing field trips to it? If it is so full, it should be making far more. I didn't see Avatar 2 this full.

As being part of a crowd-funded faith-based studio, the studio and its supporters promote a "pay it forward" "model" of buying extra tickets for those who can't afford the ticket. That's why there are sometimes mostly empty seats in nearly sold out theaters.

Apparently, there aren't many people who want to see the movie but show up anyway hoping there's a pre-paid seat for them. I can't imagine how a system like that would work efficiently.

On the one hand, the BO receipts reflect a real profit. OTOH, it doesn't reflect actual butts-in-the-seats, which means the profit doesn't necessarily translate into "being that popular."

People seeing empty but sold out theaters and don't know how that came about are now starting to spread conspiracy theories on social media about how AMC doesn't want people to see the movie. Their proof is how either the A/C isn't working, or there's an unexplained fire alarm, or AMC leaves the theater house lights on, or the A/C is on too cold. These are all things that happen all the time in theaters (especially in a heat wave), but the empty sold-out theaters create an air of suspicion.

And the number one proof that AMC doesn't want you to see this movie?.... Empty sold-out theaters.

The studio has issued a statement saying that the conspiracies are false and AMC is a perfectly cromulent partner.

The movie is a serious movie about rescuing children from child-trafficking.

 

[WorldExplorer]

It's an interesting model... I wonder why Disney hasn't tried a thing like that... ya know, buy a movie for kids who can't afford it etc...

I don't know if Sound of Freedom is connected to a big company in anyway, but if Disney, the billion dollar corporation that's constantly talking about how wonderful it is, ever tried to convince me to buy someone I don't know a ticket to their movies, my immediate response would be "Why don't YOU give free tickets instead?".

 

[Disney Irish]

As being part of a crowd-funded faith-based studio, the studio and its supporters promote a "pay it forward" "model" of buying extra tickets for those who can't afford the ticket. That's why there are sometimes mostly empty seats in nearly sold out theaters.

Apparently, there aren't many people who want to see the movie but show up anyway hoping there's a pre-paid seat for them. I can't imagine how a system like that would work efficiently.

On the one hand, the BO receipts reflect a real profit. OTOH, it doesn't reflect actual butts-in-the-seats, which means the profit doesn't necessarily translate into "being that popular."

People seeing empty but sold out theaters and don't know how that came about are now starting to spread conspiracy theories on social media about how AMC doesn't want people to see the movie. Their proof is how either the A/C isn't working, or there's an unexplained fire alarm, or AMC leaves the theater house lights on, or the A/C is on too cold. These are all things that happen all the time in theaters (especially in a heat wave), but the empty sold-out theaters create an air of suspicion.

And the number one proof that AMC doesn't want you to see this movie?.... Empty sold-out theaters.

The studio has issued a statement saying that the conspiracies are false and AMC is a perfectly cromulent partner.

The movie is a serious movie about rescuing children from child-trafficking.

Which is why its BO is always going to have an asterisk next to it, ie how can a movie really make a profit to empty theaters. And given the conspiracies surrounding it the studio may end up reconsidering how they do this "pay-it-forward" model in the future, ie ensure butts are actually in the seats.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Which is why its BO is always going to have an asterisk next to it, ie how can a movie really make a profit to empty theaters. And given the conspiracies surrounding it the studio may end up reconsidering how they do this "pay-it-forward" model in the future, ie ensure butts are actually in the seats.

Between the stories of it being tied to extreme extremist views along with the manipulated box office numbers, you'd think that would be enough for people to stop talking about as it related to Indiana Jones.

It's almost as if the people who are outspoken about it are pushing an agenda.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Between the stories of it being tied to extreme extremist views along with the manipulated box office numbers, you'd think that would be enough for people to stop talking about as it related to Indiana Jones.

It's almost as if the people who are outspoken about it are pushing an agenda.

As someone who follows Mexican politics, I can say for sure that the producer is a weird fringe far right person who doesn't even really have much influence in Mexico. Interesting to see how these networks are being formed, though.