I have a bone to pick with a MVMCP "rule"

[EPCOT Explorer]

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.:lookaroun

 

[Mystic]

I called like others had suggested and just got off the phone with them. She looked it up and told me that for some reason that night of the party they are allowing late reservations for "normal" people.

I would have a back up plan in place if I were you. Just because the Dine Line CM told you they are seating non-party guests after 6pm doesn't mean they will actually seat you at the restaurant. When we were there in 2006, we had an ADR after 6pm for LTT on a party night. Now we did have party tickets so it wasn't an issue but there was a lady there arguing with the podium CMs because they refused to seat her as it was after 6pm and only party guests were being seated after 6pm and she was a day-guest only.

 

[MR. CRAFTSMAN]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Disneys policy concerning closing times and attractions is this.. You can get into the line, no matter what the wait time, right up until park closing time.. So you are saying even if you get in line at 6:59 as soon as it is 7:00 you should get out of line and leave the park? I think if Disney wanted to change something here they would have to close the line off at the current wait time. What I mean is that if its a 40 minute wait for space mountian, they would have to close the line off at 6:20.. That way they will not have any guests in line at 7:00.. I for one would not like to see that happen, but it seems like alot of you here do.. Maybe you should all go to city hall and complain..:shrug: Just my thoughts..


Happy Turkey Day!!!:wave::slurp:

No my thought is not to complain that when you get off a ride after park closing time! It use to be that when a Hard ticket event was that day that Disney closed the park an hour early but they felt it was not fare to the normal day people to loss a whole hour. Therefore they left it open till the party starts and thought people would be smart enough to leave after. I guess the nights that we have not had tickets for a party we try to leave promtly and go do something else on property! Disney did not stop the OP that they could not use any bathroom just the ones farther into the parks. If it were an emergency I am sure that the CM would let the one in distress go. Please people remember that these CM have a lot of angry people to deal with and a few bad apples spoil their work just like our own. I just think people are looking at this as an emegency but that was never posted by the OP. he stated he and his girlfriend. Also he lives in Florida so it is not like he will not make it back soon to ride all the extra rides and the dates are posted for early closing. I guess that is my thought.

 

[PixieTinkerbell]

Queue wait times are impossible to predict, with the apparent exception of the Tower of Terror, whose wait time is frequently posted down to the exact minute, 13. In order for guests to be "out by 7:00PM," WDW would have to:

I know this post was quite a while ago, but. . . Just an FYI, the 13 minute at TOT is not meant to be taken literally. If the wait is 15 minutes or shorter then the sign says 13 as a nod to the thirteen story drop.

 

[MAGICFLOP]

I hate to chime in, but I think you were wrong to expect to use the toilets at that location. The CM is funneling people toward the exits and to detour to another way (even though it was just a few feet) is not a good policy. The CM sent you certainly toward more toilets, not like the CM sent you to your car.

They have to move the crowd as a crowd and not as an individual....

 

[gembob]

after the atrocities that have occured in the past 36hours i think this all pales into insignificance

 

[kucarachi]

If it were me and i wasnt allowed to use the bathroom i would have had to turn my mickey ears upside down and use that as a toliet....then leave it for that very nice cm. Im sure if you would have been asking to get into the souveneir shop there wouldnt be a urine limitation there!

 

[MR. CRAFTSMAN]

It still amazes me that some people still do not see the CM did their job. It is hard to clear out a park for MVMCP if everyone used the bathroom and then strolled slowly the may be at Mainstreet at 8:00pm and say hay we can just stand here and watch the parade no one will care, other then the 2000 plus people that have paid $55 to see it! Disney needs to go back to clearing the park at 6:00pm and then see how many will bi$@h about that! They us to do that and now they try to give both ticketed guest a bit more in the parks. I for one as I have stated before try to get out of the MK before the new croud starts and go do something else on property. So back to the original post they were not told to leave the park with out using a closer toilet but just not one at the back of the park! And as said before they both needed to go at the same time that does look like somethings up to a cast memeber that is trying to clear out a park. I one in a group needed to go I am sure that they would have been more understanding.
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[Scooter]

Am I the ONLY one who says to my wife..." WE don't have time to ride that ride, the queue is too long and if we ride that, we won't be out of the park by closing time at 7:00PM.

I guess when I read that the park is closed at 7:00PM, I take it literally.
I do the same thing at bars, Malls and grocery stores.

No, I'm not patting myself on the back. I just believe that closing time is what it is...time to be out of there.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

Am I the ONLY one who says to my wife..." WE don't have time to ride that ride, the queue is too long and if we ride that, we won't be out of the park by closing time at 7:00PM.

I guess when I read that the park is closed at 7:00PM, I take it literally.
I do the same thing at bars, Malls and grocery stores.

No, I'm not patting myself on the back. I just believe that closing time is what it is...time to be out of there.

Working in retail for four years taught me a lot about respecting closing. Unless it is a do or die emergency, I will not go into a store within its last 15 minutes of operation. I used to cringe when people would walk in with just a couple of minutes left before closing and pointlessly browse.

 

[disney1983]

Emh

I was at MK that same evening and left at 6:30 but I would hope that I could have used a restroom at 7:15 without being considered a trespasser.

I was also at MK during EMH that week. I did not see anyone asking for resort cards to use the restrooms, shops, or restaurants and no announcements were made that the park closed promptly at 8:00 and was only open for resort guests. Of course, we needed to show our resort cards at each attraction before entering. There were no "See Ya Real Soon" signs displayed by cast members on Main Street 30 minutes before the posted closing time and no one was directing non-resort guests to the exit.

Why are the "trespassers" treated differently on EMH nights than on party nights?

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

OP, please don't take offense. If I paid that much extra money for a hard ticket like MVMCP, I would be livid if non-ticket holders were there.

 

[SeanC]

Guess it depends on the cast member...I was there on an EMH night and was watching a parade on Main Street near the Castle when the switch happened. I decided I needed a smoke (since quit!) so I went back up to the Castle to go to the smoking section off to the side and was told I couldn't come back into the park proper, I explained what I wanted to do, that my friends were below watching the parade, that there wasn't a smoking section on Main Street and the Cast Member was nice enough to let me through the Castle. I thanked him on the way back out so he knew I had left again. Maybe he was a smoker and sympathetic, but it was good customer service to bend the rules in that case. As it would have been to allow someone to use the restroom and just make sure they came back out again. I'm am usually pretty tolerant to others opinions on the board but those complaining that they paid for a private party so those who didn't shouldn't be able to use the bathroom on the way out are being ridiculous and petty.

 

[slappy magoo]

I'm typing with 1 hand, holding a sleeping baby w/ the other. Forgive my typos or face my wrath.

Since this didn't happen, there's no way to know, but I'd like to think, when the CM told the OP to please use the other restrooms still open to the general public, that CM probably would've looked the other way had the OP said "please" or given some indication that time may be of the essence, that this was urgent.

But by the OP's own admission, this didn't appear to be an urgent matter. No desperate kids, no infirm elderly, no emergency of any kind. The CM did what he/she was assigned to do, the OP didn't make it an issue, so the CM didn't even have to make a judgment call as to whether or not to cut the OP slack. The CM also didn't have to wonder if the OP was the kind of person who'd use restrooms to hide and sneak back into the MK during a hard-ticket party.
The OP wasn't being refused the use of all bathrooms, just bathrooms in areas they were trying to close off to prevent abuse. I find it odd that some people are slagging off on the CM for not knowing the intent of the OP (just need to p e e, not trying to abuse the system) whilst simultaneously wondering if the CM would have the sixth sense to know whether or not a bathroom emergency was imminent with the OP or any other hypothetical bathroom goer

 

[Hot4Hudgens]

OP, please don't take offense. If I paid that much extra money for a hard ticket like MVMCP, I would be livid if non-ticket holders were there.

Nor would I, which is why I didn't have a problem with them roping off the attractions and shops to those who didn't have entrance to MVMCP. The restrooms though? I just didn't get it. Still don't get it. Won't ever get it. Would you be livid if the granted use of the facilities to those who didn't have a wristband?

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

Nor would I, which is why I didn't have a problem with them roping off the attractions and shops to those who didn't have entrance to MVMCP. The restrooms though? I just didn't get it. Still don't get it. Won't ever get it. Would you be livid if the granted use of the facilities to those who didn't have a wristband?

You were honestly going to the restroom. I see your frustration. However, there are people who would find a way to cheat the system if small exceptions (like being allowed to use the restroom after they were supposed to be our of the park) were made. It's a sad state of affairs when people are so dishonest that a rule such as no use of facilities after the party starts punishes someone with no ill intent. I guess this is a case of punishing the class because of one or two jerks.
You know, my aunt complains about the enormous amounts of people in the park after MVMCP starts. She says they get the prime spots for parades and fireworks by either staying in their Spectro / Wishes spots or doing something like hiding out in places no one would suspect like bathrooms until the bracelet policing stops. Again, this is what she tells me. I've never been to a hard ticket event and can't attest to this.

 

[Hrudey3032]

Am I the ONLY one who says to my wife..." WE don't have time to ride that ride, the queue is too long and if we ride that, we won't be out of the park by closing time at 7:00PM.

I guess when I read that the park is closed at 7:00PM, I take it literally.
I do the same thing at bars, Malls and grocery stores.

No, I'm not patting myself on the back. I just believe that closing time is what it is...time to be out of there.

You keep saying rules are rules and CM did their job(which I don't disagree with) but then you say you are out because the park closes at 7 so you are gone.Well the rules Disney set forth state you can get on a ride up until park closing hours.So do not blame people who use every last minute they can in the park.Back to the bathroom thing,coming off a ride like Space Mountain that jars alot of people while riding one thing that can happen is peoples bladders could also go on a whirlwind so why block this one off til everyone is off the ride?

 

[mickey7879]

I don't think I was rude.
Brutally honest, yes. A tad abrasive, maybe, but not rude.

Perhaps the OP should taken his complaint to Disney instead of a Dicussion board.
Thats the beauty of discussion boards, not everyone agrees with other peoples statements or thoughts.

Like someone eelse said, if you know what time the park closes, you should have gone to the bathroom and been out the turnstiles at closing time.
It's not rocket science. If the park closes at 7:00PM, then people should be out by 7:00PM

If I was in my local Pub that closes at 1:00 AM, and I lingered around until 1:15 AM and THEN asked if I could relieve myself, I'm sure they would laugh at me, throw me out and tell me to ______ in the parking lot. :lol:

When the park closes at 7:00 PM and there isn't a party afterwards, are people out at 7:00 sharply, or are they lingering, using the bathroom, shopping, etc?

I, for one, do not leave the park sharply at closing time. Shops are always still open, bathrooms had always been open, etc. Disney still wanted my business.

I can bet you if that was my toddler that needed to use the restroom that i would have gone past the cm and used it anyway. She can wait outside the stall door if she needed to and escort us out, but I'd rather do that than risk him going in his pants and having to buy him a new (and expensive) outfit!

IMO, there aren't too many that leave the park promptly at closing time each and every time. We all ride the rides right up until closing time and then linger out, stopping at the shops and giving Disney our very last dollars. At the very least they can let us use the bathroom on the way out......party or no party.......

 

[Wilt Dasney]

When the park closes at 7:00 PM and there isn't a party afterwards, are people out at 7:00 sharply, or are they lingering, using the bathroom, shopping, etc?

I, for one, do not leave the park sharply at closing time. Shops are always still open, bathrooms had always been open, etc. Disney still wanted my business.

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IMO, there aren't too many that leave the park promptly at closing time each and every time. We all ride the rides right up until closing time and then linger out, stopping at the shops and giving Disney our very last dollars.

Egg-zakkly. The idea that closing time means "why are you still here?" just doesn't apply to Disney. If it did, they'd roll up the carpet and turn out the lights at X o'clock.

Instead, attractions keep their queues open right up to the second the park "closes." Stores remain open for at least a good half hour afterward. And of course, there's the famous "kiss goodnight" that lots of people intentionally stick around for, which comes well after "closing" and is clearly meant to be part of the show for those willing to hang around.

None of this indicates that Disney is just tolerating the stragglers who don't know better than to be out the turnstiles already. They encourage you to take your time leaving. It's clearly not the same as a retail outlet, restaurant or bar where "closed" actually means closed, so I just don't get all the attempts to analogize in those directions.

It sounds like Disney is taking the more strict approach to the idea of "closing" on these party nights...which is their prerogative, I guess, but the fact is it doesn't work that way on regular park nights, and people who actually KNOW that shouldn't be picked on for recognizing the difference between the two approaches.

 

[painter26]

I'm typing with 1 hand, holding a sleeping baby w/ the other.

:snore::snore: SHUSH Didn't you all hear, a baby is sleeping:snore::snore: