I have a bone to pick with a MVMCP "rule"

[Todd L]

Its gotta be a horrible way to end the day at Disney "sorry kids we have to leave so the people who can afford an extra $55 a head can come and stay til midnight" It would really bother me But I wouldnt go on that day because it would bother me to have the shorter day.

It seems like people feel that Disney has somehow pulled the rug out from under them and that I dont understand.

Prices and schedules for this party have been posted for months and I hear from people in this forum that the Party hours and info are posted All over the park so lets not act surprised when you are asked to leave when the park closes.

Where does the line get draw? I mean anybody should be able to use the bathroom but again its the 10% of the people who take advantage that ruin it for everyone.

Im paying a premium to have use of the park from 4-12 and am within the agreement to do just that. If youre there for the day then you agree to leave at 7 so thats a non-issue. Yeah it stinks but thats what you agree to do when you buy a ticket on a Party day.

 

[kimmychad]

Good point. So whats the answer then? Keep all the party guest in a roped off area within the Park and get everyone else out? What is the best thing to do? I mean it very clearly states that as part of the Mvmcp I have the right to enter the park 3 hours early. What about Mk day guest? Is it not clear to them that the park will close at 7 for the Party? I really dont know.

as annual passholders we're usually in the park before the party starts anyways, but we've went in at 4 before
when we were going to a party and weren't a passholder. but honestly, someone having to use a restroom past 7 doesn't bother me in the least. it's a basic bodily function. but to answer your question, yes it clearly states the park closes at 7 for day guests.
however, when the magic kingdom or animal kingdom open at 9 disney has no problem whatsoever letting people spend money on overpriced buffets starting at 8.

 

[awilliams4]

I didn't read all 79 pages of this thread so apologies if this was mentioned but the original OP doesn't seem to reference what TIME this happened.

If they were squeezing in every last ride, I am assuming they entered the Space Mountain queue at 7:00....there was probably a line. Let's just say 30 minutes. By the time you walk the queue, wait in the queue, ride the ride, get off, take your time in the post show, it could have easily been 8:00 by now.

You are all the way on the other side of a 'closed' park a full 1 hour after it closed and you are going into the bathroom?

If I had a wristband on and saw you, I would be thinking to myself, what the hell are they doing here enjoying benefits that I paid for but they did not?!?!?!? So yes, the CM was just doing their job!

If you were walking toward the exit on Main Street and entered a bathroom, I suspect the chances of this encounter would have been less.

 

[Todd L]

A lawsuit could claim humiliation and deny of use of public facilities. If a woman could sue McDonalds for millions of dollars for hot cofffe this lawsuit would be acceptable.

You have got to be kidding me????? Give me a break. The CM was doing her job. Follow the rules and you wont have these issues. There was a restroom availble . THE PARK WAS CLOSED. period end of story. No more rides. No more hanging around for a free peak at what other people paid to see. The day is over so move along and well see you next time. :wave:

 

[DisneyMusician2]

A lawsuit could claim humiliation and deny of use of public facilities. If a woman could sue McDonalds for millions of dollars for hot cofffe this lawsuit would be acceptable.

You have got to be kidding me????? Give me a break. The CM was doing her job. Follow the rules and you wont have these issues. There was a restroom availble . THE PARK WAS CLOSED. period end of story. No more rides. No more hanging around for a free peak at what other people paid to see. The day is over so move along and well see you next time. :wave:

New Yorkers seem to get that concept more than other people...not that this was necessarily right, but if there was another convenient restroom available, it happens all the time. Things close and some things are VIP only.

Sorry.

 

[Todd L]

Massapequa! Hometown of My favorite Guitarist Brian Setzer.
Havent been to All American latley is it still good?

Back on subject-
If I were Bending the rules and got my hand slapped for it Id figure "hey I was pushing my luck and it caught up to me my bad" and walk away ashamed.
Sure wouldnt be calling a lawyer looking to sue over such non-sense.
You got MORE than you paid for so what is the problem??:shrug:

 

[fosse76]

I don't think I was rude.
Brutally honest, yes. A tad abrasive, maybe, but not rude.

Perhaps the OP should taken his complaint to Disney instead of a Dicussion board.
Thats the beauty of discussion boards, not everyone agrees with other peoples statements or thoughts.

The OP simply wanted to vent about a situation he thought was annoying, but not serious enough to warrant a complaint at the official level. Get a grip.

Like someone eelse said, if you know what time the park closes, you should have gone to the bathroom and been out the turnstiles at closing time.
It's not rocket science. If the park closes at 7:00PM, then people should be out by 7:00PM

So I'm guessing when you are at Disney and the park closes at 7pm, you are actually in the parking lot at 7pm, and not still in line for a ride, or at a shop, or walking toward the exit but still in the park. What about movie theaters? Should they not allow people who are watching the last movie of the night use the restroom on their way out?

If I was in my local Pub that closes at 1:00 AM, and I lingered around until 1:15 AM and THEN asked if I could relieve myself, I'm sure they would laugh at me, throw me out and tell me to ______ in the parking lot. :lol:

Nope. Under the law they would have to let you use the restroom.

 

[gembob]

Would it not have been ok simply for the CM to let the OP in as the CM would still be there to know that the OP had come back out again?! The CM would have known if they were hiding. Just a thought...

 

[emmersandjack]

Come on if the Hard Ticket guest can get in at 4 then their cheating the daily guest , I have been to MVMCP,MNSSHP,and P@P parties I show up at 4 no big deal we are talking about some one going to the restroom you people make it sound like they are robbing a bank she had to ______ let her ______ boo to that cast member:hammer:

 

[TurboCaroline]

I didn't read all 79 pages of this thread so apologies if this was mentioned but the original OP doesn't seem to reference what TIME this happened.

If they were squeezing in every last ride, I am assuming they entered the Space Mountain queue at 7:00....there was probably a line. Let's just say 30 minutes. By the time you walk the queue, wait in the queue, ride the ride, get off, take your time in the post show, it could have easily been 8:00 by now.

You are all the way on the other side of a 'closed' park a full 1 hour after it closed and you are going into the bathroom?

If I had a wristband on and saw you, I would be thinking to myself, what the hell are they doing here enjoying benefits that I paid for but they did not?!?!?!? So yes, the CM was just doing their job!

If you were walking toward the exit on Main Street and entered a bathroom, I suspect the chances of this encounter would have been less.

I believe the OP said it was 7:15 when she tried to use the restroom...

 

[Todd L]

Come on if the Hard Ticket guest can get in at 4 then their cheating the daily guest , I have been to MVMCP,MNSSHP,and P@P parties I show up at 4 no big deal we are talking about some one going to the restroom you people make it sound like they are robbing a bank she had to ______ let her ______ boo to that cast member:hammer:

Yeah because you purchased a ticket that allows you to enter at 4.
I dont care who uses the bathroom but to get upset because the lady was doing her job? She told him that the bathroom in question was not available to him but the ones down on main street were open.

People have the right to be upset that Party guest get to come at 4. They also have the right to Pay to go to the party and they also have the right to say "hey I dont want to be there when they are having a party night because it interfere with my plans"

Its no big surprise when they close the place early I got my Mvmcp tickets 6 weeks ago. Why are so many of you in shock that they did what they stated they were doing? Closing the park at 7 to day guest and opening it up to Party guest at 4. :xmas:

 

[the-reason14]

Im sorry, but this has gotten really ridiculous. I mean, its not like the op was trying to sneek back on a ride or something. And like another poster said, if the cm was there when he or she went in, then they should have been there when he or she came out and would have known if there were trying to get over on something and stay extra.

It probably would have been better if the cm had asked the op if he or she could manage to wait a little bit and use a different restroom as this one is closed off to non party guests. Depending on the op's answer, either yes or no, should have been the determinging factor for the cm. If he or she couldnt wait and they needed to use it, or they just wanted to use that restroom because it is there, then the cm should have allowed them in. Yea, she was doing her job, but being denied something like that is really stupid imo. And had it been me and an emergency I would have asked, then just ignored and went on to take care of my business.

 

[Hot4Hudgens]

I didn't read all 79 pages of this thread so apologies if this was mentioned but the original OP doesn't seem to reference what TIME this happened.

If they were squeezing in every last ride, I am assuming they entered the Space Mountain queue at 7:00....there was probably a line. Let's just say 30 minutes. By the time you walk the queue, wait in the queue, ride the ride, get off, take your time in the post show, it could have easily been 8:00 by now.

You are all the way on the other side of a 'closed' park a full 1 hour after it closed and you are going into the bathroom?

If I had a wristband on and saw you, I would be thinking to myself, what the hell are they doing here enjoying benefits that I paid for but they did not?!?!?!? So yes, the CM was just doing their job!

Actually, we were in and out of SM within 20 minutes, so this would be 7:10-15ish (as I first mentioned) Not a full hour after the park closed.

By the way, one last tidbit that I guess I failed to mention - there were 2 CM's (one at each restroom, both sexes) It wouldn't have been so difficult to keep track of who's going in and out of the restrooms as it might be with just one CM who obviously can't enter an opposite [gender] bathroom if that scenario occured.

Oh, and one last thing: maybe the avatar throws some of you off, but I am 100% MALE :lol:

 

[Todd L]

Im sorry, but this has gotten really ridiculous. I mean, its not like the op was trying to sneek back on a ride or something. And like another poster said, if the cm was there when he or she went in, then they should have been there when he or she came out and would have known if there were trying to get over on something and stay extra.

It probably would have been better if the cm had asked the op if he or she could manage to wait a little bit and use a different restroom as this one is closed off to non party guests. Depending on the op's answer, either yes or no, should have been the determinging factor for the cm. If he or she couldnt wait and they needed to use it, or they just wanted to use that restroom because it is there, then the cm should have allowed them in. Yea, she was doing her job, but being denied something like that is really stupid imo. And had it been me and an emergency I would have asked, then just ignored and went on to take care of my business.

Its now up to Cms to determine the level of urgency before making a decision reguarding Bathroom use?
On top of being the people responsable for emptying the park they now have to Patrol the park for non-paying party goers and determine peoples toliet needs.

Cmon youve got to be kidding. The answer was no use another bathroom. Plain and simple.

I love that you think that you can do whatever you feel like reguardless of whats going on around you. Id love to see them escort you out of the park.

Holla at that:wave:

Ladys and gentleman I give you the 10% that screw it up for everyone else. The rules dont apply to me and hey Its your problem if you dont like it attitude that make it just a little less nice for everyone around Her. Take a bow. Good now go use the bathroom on mainstreet.

 

[Todd L]

Actually, we were in and out of SM within 20 minutes, so this would be 7:10-15ish (as I first mentioned) Not a full hour after the park closed.

By the way, one last tidbit that I guess I failed to mention - there were 2 CM's (one at each restroom, both sexes) It wouldn't have been so difficult to keep track of who's going in and out of the restrooms as it might be with just one CM who obviously can't enter an opposite [gender] bathroom if that scenario occured.

Oh, and one last thing: maybe the avatar throws some of you off, but I am 100% MALE :lol:

You sound like a nice intelligent guy and hey I can honestly understand being irritated by the Cms not letting you use the bathroom. I can also understand making the most of your time and trying to squeeze every minute out of you day. I just cant understand people backing you up with "hey you should have gone anyway" or "sounds like a lawsuit" .

 

[Hot4Hudgens]

You sound like a nice intelligent guy and hey I can honestly understand being irritated by the Cms not letting you use the bathroom. I can also understand making the most of your time and trying to squeeze every minute out of you day. I just cant understand people backing you up with "hey you should have gone anyway" or "sounds like a lawsuit" .

Well, like I've stated multiple times on multiple pages: I wasn't going to jump down the CM's throat, though I would have appreciated it if she didn't just send us on our way with what seemed like a sarcastic "Have a nice night" I wasn't going to stomp over to City Hall in anger and demand an apology or that the CM be disciplined. I completely understand that she was doing her job. I won't be filing a lawsuit, though some extra cash would be nice. Ha. It's more about the fact that I (and I'm assuming there were others) weren't allowed to do something so simple as use a restroom because of the fact that I didn't have a plastic strap around my wrist. It's not a shop. It's not an attraction. It's a restroom and EVERYONE - man, woman, child, the elderly - should have a right to use it whether the park was closed for 5 minutes or an hour.

Maybe I would have been a lot more bothered by the situation if I were returning to the parks, but I wasn't. I left at 8AM the next morning and didn't want to spend my last night making a big stink (no pun intended, lol) about being turned away at the john. That's that.

 

[WDW1974]

And I can't understand no matter how hard I try why anyone would attempt to defend Disney on this ... I just can't.

Of course people justify all sorts of truly horrific behavior in the real world and this is the use of a restroom at a theme park ... but I haven't heard one bit of sense here regarding the OP's denial of a restroom.

Never should have happened. And I'd be writing/emailing Phil Holmes and/or Dan Cockerell and like crazy to make sure this 'policy' (if it is such) meets a quick demise... I might even call the local media in O-Town because they love to take shots at the Mouse and this is oh, so perfect material.

You don't deny a guest a restroom facility. Period.

To the folks who think they're making intelligent arguments to the contrary, you aren't. You're just being contrary management apologists who think that because this guy had the nerve to enter Space Mountain before closing he shouldn't be allowed use of a restroom on the way out. He should have known there was a private party going on that he was too cheap to pay for, so he needs to get his a$$ out of the park and not into a magical Disney restroom.

When I see how we've allowed our country to be Walmarted, I guess I should just look at folks who can rationalize something like this.

Truly amazing ...

 

[Todd L]

And I can't understand no matter how hard I try why anyone would attempt to defend Disney on this ... I just can't.

Of course people justify all sorts of truly horrific behavior in the real world and this is the use of a restroom at a theme park ... but I haven't heard one bit of sense here regarding the OP's denial of a restroom.

Never should have happened. And I'd be writing/emailing Phil Holmes and/or Dan Cockerell and like crazy to make sure this 'policy' (if it is such) meets a quick demise... I might even call the local media in O-Town because they love to take shots at the Mouse and this is oh, so perfect material.

You don't deny a guest a restroom facility. Period.

To the folks who think they're making intelligent arguments to the contrary, you aren't. You're just being contrary management apologists who think that because this guy had the nerve to enter Space Mountain before closing he shouldn't be allowed use of a restroom on the way out. He should have known there was a private party going on that he was too cheap to pay for, so he needs to get his a$$ out of the park and not into a magical Disney restroom.

When I see how we've allowed our country to be Walmarted, I guess I should just look at folks who can rationalize something like this.

Truly amazing ...

No whats Truly amazing is thinking you should go to the media with this story. ITS A BATHROOM FOR GODS SAKE. Take it down the road to the next Magical restroom.

Do you have a job? If so please feel free to do what ever you like at work and see how your boss feel about it. Im sure theyll be thrilled that you are bending the rules at work to be a nice guy .:ROFLOL: This Cm did the Job the way the company wants it done.

You paid for the Day. you got the day plus 15-20 minutes you have a bathroom to use just not the one you want to use. What else? you wanna hang out at the next board meeting and decide what kinda stuff we should do next year?

Nobody said he was cheap. People did say that since the park was closed for the day he already got what he paid for so move along.

Phil Holmes and Dan Cockerell are home reading this and laughing at the people who think they have the right to manipulate the rules so they get what they want while the rest of us are expected to follow along and play nice.

Btw I have never stepped foot inside a walmart i dont like there politics and they carry really low end junk. Holla:hurl::hammer:

 

[Todd L]

Well, like I've stated multiple times on multiple pages: I wasn't going to jump down the CM's throat, though I would have appreciated it if she didn't just send us on our way with what seemed like a sarcastic "Have a nice night" I wasn't going to stomp over to City Hall in anger and demand an apology or that the CM be disciplined. I completely understand that she was doing her job. I won't be filing a lawsuit, though some extra cash would be nice. Ha. It's more about the fact that I (and I'm assuming there were others) weren't allowed to do something so simple as use a restroom because of the fact that I didn't have a plastic strap around my wrist. It's not a shop. It's not an attraction. It's a restroom and EVERYONE - man, woman, child, the elderly - should have a right to use it whether the park was closed for 5 minutes or an hour.

Maybe I would have been a lot more bothered by the situation if I were returning to the parks, but I wasn't. I left at 8AM the next morning and didn't want to spend my last night making a big stink (no pun intended, lol) about being turned away at the john. That's that.

Yes because you are a sensable person. It seems like maybe your best bet was to make a complaint about the way things went down and from what I understand The Disney folks are famous for going out of there way to make things right. We have all had that experience when you catch someone on a bad day and get an attitude from someone like a waiter or hotel clerk. take it from someone whos been there cooler heads prevail. I bet if you calmly filed a complaint with someone they would maybe have offered you a free ticket for the Mvmcp that night.

 

[palmage]

Oh, and one last thing: maybe the avatar throws some of you off, but I am 100% MALE :lol:

Kinda cute for a guy :lol: