Hurricane Ivan Now a Cat 5 Hurricane

Weird_Inside

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Wilt Dasney said:
W_I,

Once again, let me say I respect your opinion, even if I disagree on what is "relevant" enough to warrant its own thread. I suppose that after seeing threads based on everything from when Small World will reopen to what Walt Disney liked to eat for breakfast to why the (insert football team of choice here) will be just AWESOME this year, the information in this thread seems plenty worthy to me...but that's my view.

And, no, I'm not in Florida, to answer your question; I live about an hour into Georgia, so I have that slight buffer zone. I also work in a newsroom, so I'm somewhat aware firsthand of what can go on from the media end of these things, as well.

The debate over what is newsworthy and what is agenda-driven hype is not a new one to me...but I think the media has done a fairly decent job with this storm from where I sit, anyway.

Again, just one rhubarb's opinion.

Wilt, let me say that I apprciate you respecting my opinion to reply in a civil manner.

I've worked in a newsroom as well (which is why I decided I had to get outta there and move to Florida - :lol: -) but let me tell you that the news down here has been anything but objective.

What part of Georgia are you in? It's a very beautiful state. I love Atlanta and my friend is from St. Simon's Island which I hear is just great too.
 

Number_6

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Let me say that I am trained in the broadcasting field and did my internship at a NewsRadio Station(WTAG 580AM, Worcester, MA) and the intention of the majority of news agencies is not to scare the bejeezus out of everyone and cause mass hysteria, like you seem to think it is. It is to provide the most information possible. If part of that information is that "currently Hurricane Ivan is Cat 5 with winds at 160mph" then they are doing their jobs. If someone here wants to pass along that they have heard this information, regardless of how many times it will change in the next 20 minutes or the next 20 hours, they are just giving the information. Note the word "currently" in the text. It's not saying that Ivan is definitely going to be Cat 5 the whole of its existence, it's saying that right now, as it stands, it is Cat 5. What if someone on the boards had family that was in Jamaica? Don't you think they would want to know that a Cat 5 is headed for their relatives? There are more places in the world than just where you live, so maybe it's useful for those other people to know this information. Also, regardless of how weak this storm might be if it makes landfall in the US, if it were to hit an area that has just seen two major storms in two weeks, then that area is going to want to be careful anyway. Remember, there are some people that did lose everything. There are alot of people that just lost power and that's it, but you have to bear in mind that it could have been worse. Just because a house didn't get damaged in two storms, doesn't mean the third won't do anything to it either. Trees that are standing after the first two might have had their base weakened and fall over with just a Cat 1's winds. Those trees could easily cause damage that didn't happen with the previous two. I'm not trying to raise panic, I'm just trying to point out to you that there is good reason for people to keep track of things and to remain cautious. Not to panic, but to prepare. We may not get alot of hurricanes up in Massachusetts, but in the late 70s, 1978 to be exact, we had forcasters calling for "maybe a couple of inches at worst" and ended up with a multi-day blizzard that dumped 3-4 feet of snow and caused alot of damage both physical and economic. We all know that weather reporting isn't an exact science, but they have gotten better in the years since then. The forecast for weather is based on probability. The most probable in all of our computer models is this one here, so this is the one we will report. We will indicate there is a slight chance of option B, the second most likely happening as well. Given that Options A and B might be what makes up 90% of the models, Options C, D and E might be considered not worth reporting, but it doesn't mean they didn't see it as a possibility so please don't call people sad for feeling The Weather Channel is a credible source of information on weather. They certainly have a better chance of getting it right than you do, and since everyone's projections showed the "most likely" track on Charley was that it would enter Tampa Bay area when it curved past Southern Florida, the fact that it hit further South actually was a surprise. That track most likely had about a 10% chance or less, otherwise they would have brought it up as a possibility. All I'm saying is, the information provided through most, not all because I do agree that there is some sensationalism out there and I will say that Fox News does have that problem at least 70% of the time, but most news agencies is there for the benefit of the people and not because they want to spread fear.

EDIT: I was writing this post while you posted about having worked in a newsroom before. I'm sorry your experience was apparently not a positive one, as mine was actually very positive.
 

Wilt Dasney

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Weird_Inside said:
What part of Georgia are you in? It's a very beautiful state. I love Atlanta and my friend is from St. Simon's Island which I hear is just great too.

I live about 20 minutes from St. Simon's, in Brunswick. It is very picturesque in places.

Atlanta is a great city, too...as long as you get a cab or a shuttle.
 

Number_6

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But it is what alot of the reporting I hear says, so I'm going based on that. Maybe it could have been worded better at the start of the thread, but again, it could have also been for the benefit of those in the Caribbean. I'm sure we have one or two Disney fans down there that might have wandered into these forums. They might want to know that.
 

Weird_Inside

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I took MARTA when I went to Atlanta a couple of weekends ago and it was alright. I just love the people down there - well, once again, at least the people I had the opportunity to meet.

Have you ever had Little Five Points Pizza?! Oh wow - that stuff is AMAZINGLY good.
 

wsapooh

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tigsmom said:
Weird Inside...may I ask why you continue to argue these points? If it annoys you so much, why do you continue? Walk away and save yourself the aggravation; unless of course you thrive on it. If this is the case then I'm sorry for you.

Ditto!
 

31daysatwdw

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I would much rather have all the facts and decide for myself if I sould worry.

It is so much better to be prepared,

Example, up here in michigan a few years ago we had what you call Straight line winds of hurricane strength. at least 150mph but a new apartment complex was leveled and the winds were estimated at 200mph. There was no warning no tornado siren as this was not a tornado. This storm caused a whole lot of damage to west michigan. We were terrified we had no idea what was going on and it lasted for hours.
Our forecast was for possible severe storms not one word of any kind of wind just a chance for run of the mill thunderstorms. After the storm the weatherman made up all kind of excuses as to why no one knew this was going to hapen.
Fast forward to now, several times this summer we have had possible straight line winds in the forecast, never happened (knock on wood), but just knowing it could prompts me to clean out a spot in the basement. and dig out my pet carrier for my parrot.
Before the that year we had the winds I had never heard of them .
 

General Grizz

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Why are all three storms headed straight to Disney and the Grizzly cave??

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They want the Epcot wand down, I swear!
 

Wilt Dasney

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Weird_Inside said:
I took MARTA when I went to Atlanta a couple of weekends ago and it was alright. I just love the people down there - well, once again, at least the people I had the opportunity to meet.

Have you ever had Little Five Points Pizza?! Oh wow - that stuff is AMAZINGLY good.

Yeah, I was just saying don't drive in Atlanta, if you're fond of your rear bumper. A high population combined with unusually wide roads for a metro area adds up to the highest average speed by motorists anywhere in the country.

And no, I can't say I've tried Little Five Points. We have a local pizza joint I'm pretty fond of, called "Bodabing's" (an apparent southern butchering of an Italian-American phrase). They were the food of choice for Fox News when the media descended on us for the G-8 Summit earlier this year, from what I heard.
 

Weird_Inside

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Wilt Dasney said:
Yeah, I was just saying don't drive in Atlanta, if you're fond of your rear bumper. A high population combined with unusually wide roads for a metro area adds up to the highest average speed by motorists anywhere in the country.

And no, I can't say I've tried Little Five Points. We have a local pizza joint I'm pretty fond of, called "Bodabing's" (an apparent southern butchering of an Italian-American phrase). They were the food of choice for Fox News when the media descended on us for the G-8 Summit earlier this year, from what I heard.

Oh you MUST try Little Five Points at some point in your life. The atmosphere is awesome - it's run by a bunch of people with tatoos and piercings and they play nothing but indie music but yet its very clean and you don't feel threatened or anything.

Oh, and if you're ever in Illinois, around the Quad Cities area, you MUST try Harris Pizza. Simply.Amazing. (can you tell it's almost time for lunch?)
 

MKCP 1985

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General Grizz said:
Why are all three storms headed straight to Disney and the Grizzly cave??

They want the Epcot wand down, I swear!

Your signature has the answer to your question - EVERYBODY wants to go to WDW this year!!!
 

Weird_Inside

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General Grizz said:
Why are all three storms headed straight to Disney and the Grizzly cave??

050853W5.gif


They want the Epcot wand down, I swear!

I must point out that the intelligent way of looking at this would be by saying "Wow - so a hurricane could strike at speeds that could be up to 160 anywhere in the entire state of Florida within an undetermined amount of time..." wow, how much more vague do you want to get?
 

Goofy23

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Just watching the weather channel this morning, and the cone is still between FL and the Yucatan Peninsula (although now closer to FL). They aren't predicting (right now, anyway, at 11 am on Thurs) that it will go straight up FL. THAT they don't know yet.
 

TheDisneyGirl02

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Weird_Inside said:
Let me ask you something DisneyGirl... what purpose does it REALLY serve you to know all of this? A hurricane will change so many times - I know for a fact it changed at least once or twice within twelve hours of actually hitting downtown Orlando.

Now think about this - if you already admit that the media will cause panic - what will reiterating the media do then? Think about that for a second... it will cause exactly the same response - panic.

EXCUSE ME?! I'm sorry, but how DARE you talk to me like that! You don't know me or why I want to know this information and I don't think that its is any of your concern! This information really DOES serve a purpose for me to know but I don't have to justify what it is to you!

Trust me, I know that hurricanes can change. I was at WDW for Charley. My first hurricane and I was scared once I learned it was coming through Orlando. So I do know they change courses!

It's a shame that you can only put other members down on this thread instead of posting information that you might be able to share with other members. We don't need negativity on this board! Please be kind and think of others feelings too!

(To the other members of this board, sorry if I'm being rude to all of you, but that post really upset me!)

TheDisneyGirl02
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Weird_Inside said:
Basically - be afraid of the news. Be VERY VERY afraid!


Hmmmm I am afraid of Geraldo's mustache over at Fox News Channel. :lol:

Really... I watched that man hold onto poles all weekend so he would not get blown away... amusing as it was.... watching Geraldo holding onto poles for another weekend... might be a bit too much for me. :lol:
 

Weird_Inside

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TheDisneyGirl02 said:
EXCUSE ME?! I'm sorry, but how DARE you talk to me like that! You don't know me or why I want to know this information and I don't think that its is any of your concern! This information really DOES serve a purpose for me to know but I don't have to justify what it is to you!

Trust me, I know that hurricanes can change. I was at WDW for Charley. My first hurricane and I was scared once I learned it was coming through Orlando. So I do know they change courses!

It's a shame that you can only put other members down on this thread instead of posting information that you might be able to share with other members. We don't need negativity on this board! Please be kind and think of others feelings too!

(To the other members of this board, sorry if I'm being rude to all of you, but that post really upset me!)

TheDisneyGirl02

Whoa! I'm sorry if I upset you. Talk to you like WHAT?

What I was trying to point out is that why would you want to add stress to your life by following EVERY single move of a Hurricane? Why? What do you honestly gain from that other than frusteration and worry? Nothing.

You guys talk about it as if someone were coming down from some the future and saying "Yes, the hurricane will strike EXACTLY now..." but in all reality - they aren't.

Basically all they're saying is, "We don't effin know - here's some ________ we threw up for ya.." and as I said, their information is EXTREMELY vague and not helpful at all. To anyone - no matter WHERE you live or WHERE your family members live.

You'll see that I haven't put down ANYONE. You're completely overreacting and exploading for absolutely no reason.

I've done nothing BUT post information. The information that I've posted is that most of this is vague, unuseable B.S. used only to keep lonely housewives who have to live vicariously through other people's misery on the edge of their seats.
 

TheDisneyGirl02

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Weird_Inside said:
Whoa! I'm sorry if I upset you. Talk to you like WHAT?

What I was trying to point out is that why would you want to add stress to your life by following EVERY single move of a Hurricane? Why? What do you honestly gain from that other than frusteration and worry? Nothing.

You guys talk about it as if someone were coming down from some the future and saying "Yes, the hurricane will strike EXACTLY now..." but in all reality - they aren't.

Basically all they're saying is, "We don't effin know - here's some ________ we threw up for ya.." and as I said, their information is EXTREMELY vague and not helpful at all. To anyone - no matter WHERE you live or WHERE your family members live.

You'll see that I haven't put down ANYONE. You're completely overreacting and exploading for absolutely no reason.

I've done nothing BUT post information. The information that I've posted is that most of this is vague, unuseable B.S. used only to keep lonely housewives who have to live vicariously through other people's misery on the edge of their seats.
I felt like you were talking down to me, like why should I know anything about the hurricane, it won't hurt me since I'm not in Florida. But it will hurt me if it hurts my friends or Walt Disney World.

I am going through an extremely traumatic time right now, and I did feel like I was being attacked by you. I come on this board to discuss Disney with other Disney fans, not to called a lonely housewife (which by the way I'm not!). That's all I'm going to say on this topic.

By the way, there are many new online articles concerning the hurricane on Yahoo, for those who care.

TheDisneyGirl02
 

Atta83

Well-Known Member
Weird_Inside you need to calm a little down there. Like tigsmom and others have said if you dont like what people are saying you need to stop posting and lighting more fires around here.

The thing is people need to be informed. There are many people that live here in the states that might have family and friends in these locations where this hurricane might hit and it might be nice to let these people know who have friends there to them know. I mean if I knew anyone in these areas I would like to know.

And the thing is we are human, we are going to panic...it is very hard to calm down about these things when you have already been hit by two strong storms. Panicing is not good but in a way you are more aware. And like I say I rather be prepared sooner than later and not stuck with people who waited till the last minute.
 

Weird_Inside

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TheDisneyGirl02 said:
I felt like you were talking down to me, like why should I know anything about the hurricane, it won't hurt me since I'm not in Florida. But it will hurt me if it hurts my friends or Walt Disney World.

I am going through an extremely traumatic time right now, and I did feel like I was being attacked by you. I come on this board to discuss Disney with other Disney fans, not to called a lonely housewife (which by the way I'm not!). That's all I'm going to say on this topic.

By the way, there are many new online articles concerning the hurricane on Yahoo, for those who care.

TheDisneyGirl02

DG - please, please, trust me that I would never ever come on here to just hurt someone's feelings.

I really didn't mean that YOU were a lonely housewife - but more the fanatics of these news programs watching them nonstop - much like after some other traumatic American events.

I'm sorry that you're going through a traumatic time, I wish that there was some way to help you understand that the last thing I would EVER want to do is make anything worse for anyone. Trust me, this thread sure has p-yossed me off but I really am not aiming at one person in particular and none of this is meant to be personal in any way shape or form. I feel for you and your friends in this area and I worry a little bit myself, but I guess until you live down here and see JUST how much EVERYONE wants you to sit inside cowering in the corner - you don't realize how much you feel like you NEED to stand up and say:
"Hey! I'm not gonna be afraid anymore!"

Prepared is one thing, but sticking next to the television 24/7 is another. Trust me, its a whole nother world down here and there really is no other way to convince you of that.

And Atta, I must ask, why is it okay for them to light fires of FEAR and nothing else but not okay for me to post and say that their information is B.S. and not really worthy of reporting?
 

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