Hollywood Strikes Are Over! - SAG-AFTRA agrees to a deal

Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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celluloid said:
Oh how mysterious, what cards you withhold in your hand. We simply can't realize what knowledge and superior experience you must hold. We get it too, as we have stated.
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Not sure who is the "we" you are speaking for in this context. As far as I know you speak only for yourself, not others here and I suggest you keep it that way.

celluloid said:
I see your confusion. I said Disney was dragging their feet as other studios may be ready to go as in afford it. Never said Disney was solely the one dragging feet hoping to win better terms. But they def are one of them for more extreme limitations as they have more to lose. You confuse Disney being a studio with more to lose with being the sole studio wanting to pay people who work from them less. They all want to to pay as least as possible of course. The difference is the other major studios are in a position ready to go and afford it when it comes to pass
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Its your post, as you said before of my posts, I'm not here to try to interrupt your intent. I can only go based on what and how you word things. 🤷‍♂️

And no I'm not confusing Disney of having more to lose or being the "sole" anything in this, that is your opinion not mine. I don't believe Disney has more to lose than say Netflix or Comcast or even WBD. If you believe that, that is fine. But its not only Disney that wants to pay people the least amount as possible, that is all studios.

My personal belief is that people should be paid what they're worth. But the funny thing about that is that everyone always thinks they are worth more than they actually are. So my business minded side will always say worth is determined by experience and performance not personal feelings and thus compensation is determined by the same.

All that aside one thing is clear, the other studios are not "ready to go" as you've said, even if they can "afford it". Also Disney has $11.5B cash on hand, I'm sure they can afford their share of that extra ~$420M.

celluloid said:
And you know the thing about someone knowing more than others realize? They rarely state and publish it. Especially not twice.
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LMAO, ok sure, whatever you say.
 
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Disney Irish

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TsWade2 said:
Alright you two, break it up! I’ve been doom and gloom about this Hollywood Strike, and now you two start arguing about it. I know I have no control for it, but the AMPTP and CEOs better hurry up and end this strike already! :rolleyes:
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My friend, this is a discussion forum. And this thread is about the strike.

The strike is being discussed. As has been suggested to you many times, please do not review this thread if you don't want to see the strike being discussed as it just depresses you.
 
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celluloid

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Disney Irish said:
And no I'm not confusing Disney of having more to lose or being the "sole" anything in this, that is your opinion not mine. I don't believe Disney has more to lose than say Netflix or Comcast or even WBD. If you believe that, that is fine. .

My personal belief is that people should be paid what they're worth. But the funny thing about that is that everyone always thinks they are worth more than they actually are. So my business minded side will always say worth is determined by experience and performance not personal feelings and thus compensation is determined by the same.
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I said we because you constantly confusingly admire other posts on here and agree with them...with arrogance.
@TsWade2 I get you. I do think you are too worried but also fair enough. I will cease this discussion, as there is not one when someone is agreeing and at the same time dismissing everything.
I will close with this to @Disney Irish and I say this as a friend, which you have called me in here many times. So take this as advice from your friend:

Your personal belief is common sense, as should be the fact that Disney is had a current struggle far worse than the others.
Your final point is wackadoo. Worth comes from more than one side to decide what one is worth in a market society. Everyone wants to be worth or thinks they are worth more than they are. That is why it is called an agreement when someone takes a job or a negotiation if parties are willing. You are not saying anything profoundly unknown to be true.

And I do speak for myself. I do also speak with others. Someone who is claiming they have a family history with collective bargaining and understands it better than others do, should probably understand that one easily.
 
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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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celluloid said:
I said we because you constantly confusingly admire other posts on here and agree with them...with arrogance.
@TsWade2 I get you. I do think you are too worried but also fair enough. I will cease this discussion, as there is not one when someone is agreeing and at the same time dismissing everything.
I will close with this to @Disney Irish and I say this as a friend, which you have called me in here many times. So take this as advice from your friend:

Your personal belief is common sense, as should be the fact that Disney is had a current struggle far worse than the others.
Your final point is wackadoo. Worth comes from more than one side to decide what one is worth in a market society. Everyone wants to be worth or thinks they are worth more than they are. That is why it is called an agreement when someone takes a job or a negotiation if parties are willing. You are not saying anything profoundly unknown to be true.

And I do speak for myself. I do also speak with others. Someone who is claiming they have a family history with collective bargaining and understands it better than others do, should probably understand that one easily.
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I think you've made some interesting comments in our discussion here, but I just don't agree with your points of view on this matter. Its a discussion forum, and that is what will happen. We're not going to see eye-to-eye on everything, or sometimes even anything at all and that is fine.

As far as your comments on my final point being "wackadoo", experience and performance are two of the factors used by the market to determine worth. There are more factors than that of course, but those two are most important to my business minded side which is why I mentioned them. So not sure why you think that's "wackadoo" if you think that worth is decided by more than one side in a market society in an agreement, which would actually include those factors. So it appears you actually agree with me without even realizing it.
 
TP2000

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The Labor Day outlook on the strikes isn't looking too festive.

www.latimes.com

Why Hollywood's labor nightmare won't end soon: Frustration, fear and mistrust

Frustration, fears about the future and a high degree of mistrust continue to shape the script of Hollywood's strikes by the WGA and SAG-AFTRA.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

And this similarly toned article today from Disney owned ABC News, with a focus on Disney issues...

abcnews.go.com

Hollywood labor disputes 'headed down to crunch time' amid ongoing strikes, reporter says

Media reporter Claire Atkinson joins ABC News Live to discuss the impacts of the strikes on both sides of the dispute and whether there could be a resolution soon.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
 
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celluloid

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Everyone does realize Bob was unanimously nominated as “studio bag man” for this?

For a variety of reasons…but I bet he doesn’t like how it’s turned out so far.
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He would have to be a madman to hope that Snow White's no one really wants remake with its troubles and Inside Out 2 that may or may not happen in June could possibly give Wallstreet any happiness next year as the company's only big releases next Summer.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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celluloid said:
He would have to be a madman to hope that Snow White's no one really wants remake with its troubles and Inside Out 2 that may or may not happen in June could possibly give Wallstreet any happiness next year as the company's only big releases next Summer.
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I believe he’s the face because the narrative is “he’s leaving”…so lame duck makes him best to play hardball

But we know Bob…he ain’t leaving unless the board does it’s duty and fires him
 
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TsWade2

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I’m sorry, but the AMPTP and the CEOs need to hurry up and make a fair and better deal for the writers and actors already! They’re being a bunch of greedy pansies!😡
 
wtyy21

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I rather see that the federal government (or similar high-level executives) must take responsibility for averting the strike by disband AMPTP/asking AMPTP to disband themselves and replace with a new established body that have similar function as AMPTP but with better organizational structure that are acceptable to the general public.

Then, the federal government would have to mediate all entertainment unions with a newly-established body that similar to AMPTP to negotiate the better agreement regarding their entertainment issues such as fair pay, AI implementation or residuals.

This is only way to save Hollywood from going to destruction, before much more influental entertainment union IATSE going to strike mid-next year if the contract didn't updated in new rules between them and AMPTP, and IATSE strike (almost happened in 2021 and if finally happened next year) will be final nail of coffin for entertainment industry as whole.

Also, regarding WGA and SAG-AFTRA, more union strikes will have more harm than good as they will receive backlash from the general public in long-term despite have good enthusiastic in short-term.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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wtyy21 said:
I rather see that the federal government (or similar high-level executives) must take responsibility for averting the strike by disband AMPTP/asking AMPTP to disband themselves and replace with a new established body that have similar function as AMPTP but with better organizational structure that are acceptable to the general public.

Then, the federal government would have to mediate all entertainment unions with a newly-established body that similar to AMPTP to negotiate the better agreement regarding their entertainment issues such as fair pay, AI implementation or residuals.

This is only way to save Hollywood from going to destruction, before much more influental entertainment union IATSE going to strike mid-next year if the contract didn't updated in new rules between them and AMPTP, and IATSE strike (almost happened in 2021 and if finally happened next year) will be final nail of coffin for entertainment industry as whole.

Also, regarding WGA and SAG-AFTRA, more union strikes will have more harm than good as they will receive backlash from the general public in long-term despite have good enthusiastic in short-term.
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So you’re advocating the feds both takeover the business negotiations on the management side…and union bust?

…it’s bold…I’ll give you that 👍🏻
 
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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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wtyy21 said:
I rather see that the federal government (or similar high-level executives) must take responsibility for averting the strike by disband AMPTP/asking AMPTP to disband themselves and replace with a new established body that have similar function as AMPTP but with better organizational structure that are acceptable to the general public.

Then, the federal government would have to mediate all entertainment unions with a newly-established body that similar to AMPTP to negotiate the better agreement regarding their entertainment issues such as fair pay, AI implementation or residuals.

This is only way to save Hollywood from going to destruction, before much more influental entertainment union IATSE going to strike mid-next year if the contract didn't updated in new rules between them and AMPTP, and IATSE strike (almost happened in 2021 and if finally happened next year) will be final nail of coffin for entertainment industry as whole.

Also, regarding WGA and SAG-AFTRA, more union strikes will have more harm than good as they will receive backlash from the general public in long-term despite have good enthusiastic in short-term.
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So break up AMPTP to replace it with another AMPTP but somehow better because it'll be beholden to the public?

Yeah only a couple problems I see with that....
 
Disney Irish

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TsWade2 said:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...s-strike-sag-aftra-wga-hollywood-labor-strife I guess that’s it, then! It’s hopeless! This strike will never end! I guess Disney will have to cancel every movie and TV show and shut down Disney studios forever.😢
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That article is several days old at this point, and one that was already posted in this thread.

We don't know what happened from the internal talks had by all the studios last week, a new offer might have come out of that. I wouldn't expect an update until later this week.

And once again this is not the end of Hollywood or Disney.
 
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TsWade2

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Disney Irish said:
That article is several days old at this point, and one that was already posted in this thread.

We don't know what happened from the internal talks had by all the studios last week, a new offer might have come out of that. I wouldn't expect an update until later this week.

And once again this is not the end of Hollywood or Disney.
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