Hollywood Strikes Are Over! - SAG-AFTRA agrees to a deal

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Of course you are suddenly on the side of “Burbank” when actors and writers are trying to get a fair deal. Quelle surprise.

I don’t think that was “picking a side”

But I’ll pick one: I’m pro labor. Period. Human “capital” is where the genius comes from. That’s the “meaning of life” as it stands…
But I don’t think they can get what they want…more below.

Well whatever you do, don’t listen to that martini shaking dog who posted above, or he will have you thinking that you’ll have nothing to watch but YouTube for the rest of your life, which is not true at all.

Can you ever…not…make it personal? Whatever that Boulder sized chip on your shoulder is made of…it’s gonna put too much stress on T2-L6

They’re making progress. It will settle eventually. These things always do. Just a matter of time.

Settle in this case is probably gonna be capitulation…
The issues here make this much larger than an average strike. The whole system is collapsing and neither side can win

 

[TsWade2]

It could be a long while yet to make a real difference, but the CEOS are the ones that are sweating. The strength of a strike comes from unitedness. And they have the studios bickering over what is exactly fair. Imagine one of the biggest putting their feet down and against proposals?
One CEO does not even show up to them. I guess an attempt at not being the bad guy by omission.
https://deadline.com/2023/08/hollywood-ceo-meeting-writers-strike-1235529614/

Hollywood Execs Can't Stop Picking Fights With Each Other

Disney, Netflix, Warner Bros., and Amazon are rumored to be sitting down together tonight to learn how to play nice with others.

gizmodo.com

This is very sad! The AMPTP and the CEOs are not trying. Bob Iger is such a freaking coward. I know I have no control, but it would’ve been better he got fired and hire Tom Staggs or Kevin Mayer as the new ceo of Disney. I guess Disney and the whole Hollywood are collapsing.

 

[TP2000]

This is very sad! The AMPTP and the CEOs are not trying. Bob Iger is such a freaking coward. I know I have no control, but it would’ve been better he got fired and hire Tom Staggs or Kevin Mayer as the new ceo of Disney. I guess Disney and the whole Hollywood are collapsing.

As a reminder, over a decade ago the Huffington Post described Tom Staggs in his role as Disney Parks Chairman as "an oddly waifish man of anemic personality". Who was later let go from his executive leadership role with the Walt Disney Company.

And let go by Bob Iger.

And that's who you are going to hope saves the world? An oddly waifish man of anemic personality?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is very sad! The AMPTP and the CEOs are not trying. Bob Iger is such a freaking coward. I know I have no control, but it would’ve been better he got fired and hire Tom Staggs or Kevin Mayer as the new ceo of Disney. I guess Disney and the whole Hollywood are collapsing.

I think you gotta try to just let it play and not follow it day by day

This is a big problem…it will work out at somepoint…but they’re likely not that close

If one side buckles…that will be quick and they’ll NEVER admit it…

But this could go alot longer

 

[celluloid]

Bob Iger will also not be directly responding to this much anymore so he can.

1. Avoid being the bad guy like previous CEO slips that have brought him under the scrutiny

2. If they buckle, he does not have to be the guy internally who failed.

 

[TsWade2]

I think you gotta try to just let it play and not follow it day by day

This is a big problem…it will work out at somepoint…but they’re likely not that close

If one side buckles…that will be quick and they’ll NEVER admit it…

But this could go alot longer

Never mind! I was being doom and gloom again. Geez!

 

[TP2000]

Bob Iger will also not be directly responding to this much anymore so he can.

1. Avoid being the bad guy like previous CEO slips that have brought him under the scrutiny

2. If they buckle, he does not have to be the guy internally who failed.

Agreed.

I think the backlash from all sides after Iger's strike comments from Sun Valley back in July ago took him by surprise. His words and statements came off as elitist and snotty and out of touch. It didn't help that he delivered those infamous words sitting in a cashmere sweater in the crisp valley air of an ultra-luxury resort in Idaho. He looked and sounded like a real jerk.

And that's not good for his personal brand. So he's letting his studio heads be the "voice" for the strike from now on.

That's a smart move, especially if you sound like an out of touch jerk.

 

[Disney Irish]

You know what other CEO is missing from all the strike talks even when Iger attended, Brian Roberts.

Why isn't he more involved?

 

[TsWade2]

Agreed.

I think the backlash from all sides after Iger's strike comments from Sun Valley back in July ago took him by surprise. His words and statements came off as elitist and snotty and out of touch. It didn't help that he delivered those infamous words sitting in a cashmere sweater in the crisp valley air of an ultra-luxury resort in Idaho. He looked and sounded like a real jerk.

And that's not good for his personal brand. So he's letting his studio heads be the "voice" for the strike from now on.

That's a smart move, especially if you sound like an out of touch jerk.

I totally agree. I think Bob Iger sucks as being a negotiator. I hope Dana Walden and Alan Bergman will do better than him.

 

[celluloid]

You know what other CEO is missing from all the strike talks even when Iger attended, Brian Roberts.

Why isn't he more involved?

I don't think Comcast is worried about it.
There is no doubt in my.mind that Uni and WB Sony and Paramount are ready to go, but Disney is often the bullheaded dragging feet because they have more to lose and plenty of cash flow to not stress over the 420 million or so that the deal is collectively asking for.

Let's put it this way. Brian Roberts was not caught with the quotes that Bob Iger was during this situation.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't think Comcast is worried about it.

Comcast/NBCUniversal is just as affected by the strikes as any other studio. So I'm sure they are worried about it, especially since their whole NBC fall slate has been put on hold. Not to mention countless other productions/preproductions put on hold.

So again why is Roberts completely absent during this whole process.

There is no doubt in my.mind that Uni and WB Sony and Paramount are ready to go, bht Disney is oftem tje bullheaded dragging feet because they have more to lose and plenty of cash flow to not stress over tje 420.millionnornso that the deal is collectively asking for.

If it was really just Disney alone that is bullheaded and dragging their feet as you say and the other studios already agreed to all terms, then the AMPTP could just move forward and make an agreement. As the Unions negotiate and make an agreement with the AMPTP not an individual studio. And since Disney is bound by the AMPTP they would have to fall inline with whatever agreement the AMPTP makes with the Unions.

So no I doubt that its Disney just being an outlier here. Also I'm pretty sure it would have leaked at this point if it was just Disney alone holding things up.

Also don't forget that Netflix is also now part of the AMPTP and a player in this.

Let's put it this way. Brian Roberts was not caught with the quotes that Bob Iger was during this situation.

Iger's remarks are irrelevant to why Roberts has been absent during this whole strike.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Let's put it this way. Brian Roberts was not caught with the quotes that Bob Iger was during this situation.

Higher iq will give those kinda results

 

[celluloid]

Iger's remarks are irrelevant to why Roberts has been absent during this whole strike.

Busy running other sectors a profitable business well? Smart enough not to be the face of it with tasteless uncultured responses in the first place?

What's Iger's excuse?

And a major studio or two not agreeing to aspects and not allowing the deal to sound sweet will absolutely slow down the negotiation with WGA. The entire reason the AMPTB is for them to pay as least as possible while sounding fair to others. All would love to get away with less, but if WB, Sony, Universal and Amazon are willing, but if Disney and Netflix are not as much, that will totally slow it down.

The power is in whoever has the most solidarity. The writers as of right now have that with Actors and general public is more aware than ever. This hurts the studios who are already downward the most. Disney being one of the biggest fall examples, and with more to lose.

 

[Disney Irish]

Busy running other sectors a profitable business well? Smart enough not to be the face of it with tasteless uncultured responses in the first place?

What's Iger's excuse?

Once again Iger's remarks are irrelevant to why another CEO has been completely absent from these proceedings.

And it looks like Roberts is going to be dragged into it pretty soon whether he likes it or not, as he is being called out by several state's treasurers/comptrollers now -

California Treasurer Fiona Ma calls on Hollywood studios to end writers' and actors' strikes

California Treasurer Fiona Ma sent letters this week to major media companies, including NBCUniversal owner Comcast Corp., to end the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

www.latimes.com

Trustees Of NYC’s $250 Billion Pension Funds Warn Studios That They Risk Losing Investor Confidence If WGA & SAG-AFTRA Strikes Drag On

Trustees of New York City's $250 billion pension funds are warning studios that they risk losing investor confidence if WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes drag on.

deadline.com

And a major studio or two not agreeing to aspects and not allowing the deal to sound sweet will absolutely slow down the negotiation with WGA. The entire reason the AMPTB is for them to pay as least as possible while sounding fair to others. All would love to get away with less, but if WB, Sony, Universal and Amazon are willing, but if Disney and Netflix are not as much, that will totally slow it down.

The power is in whoever has the most solidarity. The writers as of right now have that with Actors and general public is more aware than ever. This hurts the studios who are already downward the most. Disney being one of the biggest fall examples, and with more to lose.

The AMPTP is the collective bargaining representative for ALL the studios during negotiations, not just a couple, hence the term "collective bargaining". Its the AMPTP that the WGA and SAG/AFTRA is negotiating with, not the studios directly.

In collective bargaining its typically majority acceptance that is all that is required for the passage of an agreement. It does not typically require unanimous acceptance or nor does it give more weight to one party over another. And while I don't have access to the bylaws (which neither do you), the AMPTP charter is very likely no different. This means as long as a majority of the studios under the AMPTP accept any agreement the AMPTP can move forward and make the new agreement with the Unions.

So no one or two studios cannot just hold up the negotiations just because they want to, that is not how things work in collective bargaining.

 

[celluloid]

Once again Iger's remarks are irrelevant to why another CEO has been completely absent from these proceedings.

And it looks like Roberts is going to be dragged into it pretty soon whether he likes it or not, as he is being called out by several state's treasurers/comptrollers now -

California Treasurer Fiona Ma calls on Hollywood studios to end writers' and actors' strikes

California Treasurer Fiona Ma sent letters this week to major media companies, including NBCUniversal owner Comcast Corp., to end the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

www.latimes.com

Trustees Of NYC’s $250 Billion Pension Funds Warn Studios That They Risk Losing Investor Confidence If WGA & SAG-AFTRA Strikes Drag On

Trustees of New York City's $250 billion pension funds are warning studios that they risk losing investor confidence if WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes drag on.

deadline.com

The AMPTP is the collective bargaining representative for ALL the studios during negotiations, not just a couple, hence the term "collective bargaining". Its the AMPTP that the WGA and SAG/AFTRA is negotiating with, not the studios directly.

In collective bargaining its typically majority acceptance that is all that is required for the passage of an agreement. It does not typically require unanimous acceptance or nor does it give more weight to one party over another. And while I don't have access to the bylaws (which neither do you), the AMPTP charter is very likely no different. This means as long as a majority of the studios under the AMPTP accept any agreement the AMPTP can move forward and make the new agreement with the Unions.

So no one or two studios cannot just hold up the negotiations just because they want to, that is not how things work in collective bargaining.

Yes, and the collective bargaining is why they can't just push ahead and why this is taking so long. The studios have been divided. They have to submit to AMPTP every time.
You are rambling on a confusing game with yourself. One studio can be the difference of majority agreeing, if you want to use your example.

I am not a huge Adam Conover fan but I took the liberty of finding a short video that explains it for you.
If link does not work search AMPTP and Adam Conover.

It specifically mentions what others here have mentioned including @Sirwalterraleigh and myself about a major reason for its existence is for CEOs to keep their hands clean on it.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, and the collective bargaining is why they can't just push ahead and why this is taking so long. The studios have been divided. They have to submit to AMPTP every time.
You are rambling on a confusing game with yourself. One studio can be the difference of majority agreeing, if you want to use your example.

Its clear in my mind my friend. You're one who seems to think its Disney as being the sole party holding up the negotiations, which I'm telling is not the case. Its actually all the studios holding this up, not just one, as they all (or at least a majority of them) cannot agree to updated terms, and is described as squabbling among each other.

And this has been confirmed earlier this week -

Studio CEOs Set To Meet Today Amid Internal Tensions; No End In Sight To Strikes

Amid growing speculation of internal divisions, the chiefs of Hollywood's biggest studios are set to gather today.

deadline.com

As the reports state every studios is blaming the others for the issues -

“Almost everyone is looking for someone to blame,” another insider says of the backbiting among the core CEOs. “They’re paralyzed, even as the clock is ticking, and it’s Ted’s fault, Iger’s fault, even Tony Vinciquerra’s fault, depending on who you ask,” the source added, name-checking the Netflix co-CEO, the Disney CEO and the Sony Pictures chair and CEO. “It’s not helping the situation, or anyone.”

So no its not just Disney, or Iger, or even Netflix, its all studios not on the same page. Because once again if the majority of studios all agreed to terms, and it was only one or two that didn't, the AMPTP would move forward and make a new agreement with the Unions.

 

[celluloid]

Its clear in my mind my friend. You're one who seems to think its Disney as being the sole party holding up the negotiations, which I'm telling is not the case. Its actually all the studios holding this up, not just one, as they all (or at least a majority of them) cannot agree to updated terms, and is described as squabbling among each other.

And this has been confirmed earlier this week -

Studio CEOs Set To Meet Today Amid Internal Tensions; No End In Sight To Strikes

Amid growing speculation of internal divisions, the chiefs of Hollywood's biggest studios are set to gather today.

deadline.com

As the reports state every studios is blaming the others for the issues -

“Almost everyone is looking for someone to blame,” another insider says of the backbiting among the core CEOs. “They’re paralyzed, even as the clock is ticking, and it’s Ted’s fault, Iger’s fault, even Tony Vinciquerra’s fault, depending on who you ask,” the source added, name-checking the Netflix co-CEO, the Disney CEO and the Sony Pictures chair and CEO. “It’s not helping the situation, or anyone.”

So no its not just Disney, or Iger, or even Netflix, its all studios not on the same page. Because once again if the majority of studios all agreed to terms, and it was only one or two that didn't, the AMPTP would move forward and make a new agreement with the Unions.

I never said solely did I? That seems to be constructed from your noggin on this, similarly to how you think the AMPTP works.

And now we are getting to the point where it does not anymore if the strike goes well for WGA and it has so far.. The CEOs debating and differing is the best thing and means WGA strike is working. Because they can't rely on the third party of the AMPTP, and that is the reason for its existence.

I also recommend searching up Michael Jamin, a WGA writer who explained this would be the ultimate goal months ago. The division of them not coming to an agreement through AMPTP is the opposite of solidarity that the WGA has and also showcases how foolish the outlook you think it would work. If all they needed as a majority of studios for an offer(won't matter if the offer is not good) than there would have been far more by now and pushed along.

The studios helped establish the situation that is the AMPTP. Many writers will explain this is part of the long term goal of the strike. The chance to end the era of the AMPTP, whose sole purpose is to constantly save the producing companies as much money as possible by altering the way the writers and others have been paid, and limiting increase sometimes to lower than one percent.

 

[Disney Irish]

I never said soley did I? That seems to be constructed from your noggin on this....

Yep you basically did, as you claim that there was "no doubt in your mind" the other major studios were "ready to go" as you put it and it was Disney "dragging their feet" and being "bullheaded".

As you posted -

There is no doubt in my.mind that Uni and WB Sony and Paramount are ready to go, but Disney is often the bullheaded dragging feet because they have more to lose and plenty of cash flow to not stress over the 420 million or so that the deal is collectively asking for.

So obviously no Universal, WBD, Sony, and Paramount aren't "ready to go".

And now we are getting to the point where it does not anymore if the strike goes well for WGA and it has so far.. The CEOs debating and differing is the best thing and means WGA strike is working. Because they can't rely on the third party of the AMPTP, and that is the reason for its existence.

I also recommend searching up Michael Jamin, a WGA writer who explained this would be the ultimate goal months ago. The division of them not coming to an agreement through AMPTP is the opposite of solidarity that the WGA has and also showcases how foolish the outlook you think it would work. If all they needed as a majority of studios for an offer(won't matter if the offer is not good) than there would have been far more by now and pushed along.

The studios helped establish the situation that is the AMPTP. Many writers will explain this is part of the long term goal of the strike. The chance to end the era of the AMPTP, whose sole purpose is to constantly save the producing companies as much money as possible by altering the way the writers and others have been paid, and limiting increase sometimes to lower than one percent.

I understand more than you realize how collective bargaining works, very long personal family history with collective bargaining on both sides, and why the AMPTP was formed and what their goals are for their members.

And I understand, again more than you realize, WGA would love nothing more than to break up AMPTP because it allows them to negotiate directly with the studios and get better deals for writers, and pit each studio against each other. This is a very common union stance, not just in Hollywood.

 

[celluloid]

Yep you basically did, as you claim that there was "no doubt in your mind" the other major studios were "ready to go" as you put it and it was Disney "dragging their feet" and being "bullheaded".

As you posted -



So obviously no Universal, WBD, Sony, and Paramount aren't "ready to go".


I understand more than you realize how collective bargaining works, very long personal family history with collective bargaining on both sides, and why the AMPTP was formed and what their goals are for their members.

And I understand, again more than you realize, WGA would love nothing more than to break up AMPTP because it allows them to negotiate directly with the studios and get better deals for writers, and pit each studio against each other. This is a very common union stance, not just in Hollywood.

Oh how mysterious, what cards you withhold in your hand. We simply can't realize what knowledge and superior experience you must hold. We get it too, as we have stated.

I see your confusion. I said Disney was dragging their feet as other studios may be ready to go as in afford it. Never said Disney was solely the one dragging feet hoping to win better terms. But they def are one of them for more extreme limitations as they have more to lose. You confuse Disney being a studio with more to lose with being the sole studio wanting to pay people who work from them less. They all want to to pay as least as possible of course. The difference is the other major studios are in a position ready to go and afford it when it comes to pass


And you know the thing about someone knowing more than others realize? They rarely state and publish it. Especially not twice. So thanks for saying everything I have stated and then claiming you understand better. You agreeing with arrogance is strange.

 

[TsWade2]

Alright you two, break it up! I’ve been doom and gloom about this Hollywood Strike, and now you two start arguing about it. I know I have no control for it, but the AMPTP and CEOs better hurry up and end this strike already!