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Guests who Destroy the Magic
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wedway71
Well-Known Member
:ROFLOL: I missed that yesterday. Wouldn't it be funny to say that to everyone that you saw at Disney who were doing some of the things talked about on here.
Jerk breaking in line, as he passes you, "Have a Magical Day".
People leaving their trash on a table next to you, "Have a Magical Day".
People stepping on your child to find a place to sit for the parade, "Have a Magical Day".
I love it!
Oh yea, teenager walking around Disney with a straw hanging out of his pants, Are you having a "Magical Day" now!
That would be funny or have to ask them???? WWMD????
What would Mickey Do???????
JennyTablina
Member
Not really destructive but it did get me worked up a little bit for a while
One time I was trying to get the Monorail cockpit seats for the monorail from Epcot to MK, I asked the CM about getting seats and he was like "sure we'll see about that" but there was this other family who I guess had been hoping to get in front but hadnt actually asked the guy manning the station.
The monorail came in and the mom was all "Uh-uh, we were here first so we're going in front" in a pretty condesending tone. In all honestly I was quite happy to let her have the seat if it really bugged her that much but the CM politely said that I had actually asked first and they hadnt so me and my family would be the ones to ride. She complained that this was "unfair" and so on to the CM. On one hand I understand the fustration, as they were there waiting before us. But she was quite rude about the whole thing.
Even more amusing my dad and his best buddy elected to ride in the cabin behind (too many people to all fit the cockpit) and she was in that cabin too, whining on the whole trip about how unfair and terrible it was that this guest had charged in ahead of her. Admittedly I felt a bit guilty and it ruined the ride a little for me.
Apparently also she gave me a hard look as she stepped down the platform as well :lol:
One time I was trying to get the Monorail cockpit seats for the monorail from Epcot to MK, I asked the CM about getting seats and he was like "sure we'll see about that" but there was this other family who I guess had been hoping to get in front but hadnt actually asked the guy manning the station.
The monorail came in and the mom was all "Uh-uh, we were here first so we're going in front" in a pretty condesending tone. In all honestly I was quite happy to let her have the seat if it really bugged her that much but the CM politely said that I had actually asked first and they hadnt so me and my family would be the ones to ride. She complained that this was "unfair" and so on to the CM. On one hand I understand the fustration, as they were there waiting before us. But she was quite rude about the whole thing.
Even more amusing my dad and his best buddy elected to ride in the cabin behind (too many people to all fit the cockpit) and she was in that cabin too, whining on the whole trip about how unfair and terrible it was that this guest had charged in ahead of her. Admittedly I felt a bit guilty and it ruined the ride a little for me.
Apparently also she gave me a hard look as she stepped down the platform as well :lol:
mrscricket
Active Member
i just dont see the point in why people do this.
it makes them angry and the victim angry.
it makes them angry and the victim angry.
JennyTablina
Member
Neather do I. They were brits too so I'm sure they would of had plenty chance in their trip to get the front of the monorail. :shrug:
Though I think its part of the potental stress people can get from doing Disney. If it's too hot or they had a bad time in the parks people get agitated and take it out on others. It's the same consideration I have to have in my checkout job, people might be moody or even rude because they have had a bad day. The best thing to do is keep smiling anyways and let them move on.
That said also on the case of renegade kids, its not a new issue, just kids almost litterally get away with murder more often now. I recall reading in a book about Disneyland (the name I cant recall sadly) from old CM accounts that kids in the 60's when characters were introduced, Kids would kick and abuse the characters ect.
Anyways not all the teen generation or kids are bad. Lots of parents do a good job raising their kids, just with divorce and so on on the rise. You have a lot of kids from broken homes and IMO that sorta situation can cause kids to become right royal pains. Plus some people get lazy about rasing their kids, specially the younger moms now.
Though I think its part of the potental stress people can get from doing Disney. If it's too hot or they had a bad time in the parks people get agitated and take it out on others. It's the same consideration I have to have in my checkout job, people might be moody or even rude because they have had a bad day. The best thing to do is keep smiling anyways and let them move on.
That said also on the case of renegade kids, its not a new issue, just kids almost litterally get away with murder more often now. I recall reading in a book about Disneyland (the name I cant recall sadly) from old CM accounts that kids in the 60's when characters were introduced, Kids would kick and abuse the characters ect.
Anyways not all the teen generation or kids are bad. Lots of parents do a good job raising their kids, just with divorce and so on on the rise. You have a lot of kids from broken homes and IMO that sorta situation can cause kids to become right royal pains. Plus some people get lazy about rasing their kids, specially the younger moms now.
DicksonGR
Well-Known Member
Superb Pumbas, Superb!:ROFLOL:
sandicinderelli
New Member
joanna71985
Well-Known Member
Mousetales, maybe?
wdwmomof3
Well-Known Member
She could have just waited for the next Monorail, if it was that important to her. If my kids wanted to ride in the front really bad, I would wait our turn. My goodness people get so mad over the craziest things.
s8film40
Well-Known Member
There's actually a very simple reason behind this. There is a well known quote by Walt Disney.
"If you keep a place clean, people will respect it; if you let it get dirty, they'll make it worse." - Walt Disney
What is really meant by this is that people in large groups are going to behave according to how the group behaves (of Course there are exceptions), there are extremes at either end of the spectrum. For example there may be guests who go out of their way to clean up after themselves and maybe even pick up a little after others and then at the other end are the guests that are being discussed here. But if the overall behavior of the general public isn't kept in check it will gradually get worse and worse. Like in Walt's quote if you walk into a park and see that it is spotless you are far less likely to throw even the smallest bit of trash on the ground because on some level people perceive the clean environment as a result of the actions of fellow guests and there is a fear that littering will be socially unacceptable. With that said there is always the individual who will push the limit. So lets say a few people have thrown their candy wrappers on the ground as guests see this it becomes more socially acceptable to throw small pieces of trash on the floor. You can see the chain reaction here as the trash builds it becomes more and more acceptable and the limit is continually advancing. Now the solution to this is to always keep this in check if those tiny candy wrapper are picked up right away it becomes far more manageable. This applies not only to littering but every aspect of guest behavior line cutting, vandalism, theft, smoking and so on. In addition to not maintaining the parks to the level they used to Disney does not enforce most of the rules they have in place to keep this behavior in check because they don't want to be confrontational, so the people who wish to push the limits are allowed to do so and the common behavior gets increasingly worse. To make matters worse this is not confined to just the parks as the rest of the public world bends to the people pushing these limits people become accustomed to this in their everyday life and are more likely to consider this to be acceptable when they visit the parks only making it harder for Disney to police this in the parks. Unfortunately it's a chain reaction and it is very difficult to reverse or even stop it. At the rate it's going now I don't see this getting any better, every time I visit the parks I notice this and each time is worse than the last. The really bad part is that at some point this affects the ability to operate such a place at a profit without making serious sacrafices, this has already started to happen in little ways all over the Disney property. Every day some element that used to make Disney nice is removed because it can longer be maintained due to damage from guests. Eventually what you are left with is a barren dirty atmosphere filled with rude people very much like the carnivals that Walt Disney said his park would not become.
"If you keep a place clean, people will respect it; if you let it get dirty, they'll make it worse." - Walt Disney
What is really meant by this is that people in large groups are going to behave according to how the group behaves (of Course there are exceptions), there are extremes at either end of the spectrum. For example there may be guests who go out of their way to clean up after themselves and maybe even pick up a little after others and then at the other end are the guests that are being discussed here. But if the overall behavior of the general public isn't kept in check it will gradually get worse and worse. Like in Walt's quote if you walk into a park and see that it is spotless you are far less likely to throw even the smallest bit of trash on the ground because on some level people perceive the clean environment as a result of the actions of fellow guests and there is a fear that littering will be socially unacceptable. With that said there is always the individual who will push the limit. So lets say a few people have thrown their candy wrappers on the ground as guests see this it becomes more socially acceptable to throw small pieces of trash on the floor. You can see the chain reaction here as the trash builds it becomes more and more acceptable and the limit is continually advancing. Now the solution to this is to always keep this in check if those tiny candy wrapper are picked up right away it becomes far more manageable. This applies not only to littering but every aspect of guest behavior line cutting, vandalism, theft, smoking and so on. In addition to not maintaining the parks to the level they used to Disney does not enforce most of the rules they have in place to keep this behavior in check because they don't want to be confrontational, so the people who wish to push the limits are allowed to do so and the common behavior gets increasingly worse. To make matters worse this is not confined to just the parks as the rest of the public world bends to the people pushing these limits people become accustomed to this in their everyday life and are more likely to consider this to be acceptable when they visit the parks only making it harder for Disney to police this in the parks. Unfortunately it's a chain reaction and it is very difficult to reverse or even stop it. At the rate it's going now I don't see this getting any better, every time I visit the parks I notice this and each time is worse than the last. The really bad part is that at some point this affects the ability to operate such a place at a profit without making serious sacrafices, this has already started to happen in little ways all over the Disney property. Every day some element that used to make Disney nice is removed because it can longer be maintained due to damage from guests. Eventually what you are left with is a barren dirty atmosphere filled with rude people very much like the carnivals that Walt Disney said his park would not become.
Epcotbob
Well-Known Member
Last trip to WDW I decided to try a different approach, rather than expecting good behaviour, I just went EXPECTING bad behaviour.
It really helped! When I saw rude, obnoxious people, Rather than becoming upset, I just shrugged my shoulders and decided to just let them wallow in thier miserable vacation, but they weren't going to ruin my day!
Rather than being overly sensitive to how everbody else was acting, I just focused on having a good time. There were incidents, but it just seemed easier to blow it off.
On "Its Tough to be a Bug", a couple in front of me decided they were sitting in the middle of the row, ignoring the CM's plea to move to the end of the row. He looked rich, and arrogant and obviously felt pretty self-important. So me and my brother just walked in front of them and moved down the row. Apparently this made him quite upset, so he stuck his arm out preventing the rest of our party from joining us further down the row.
We didn't realize this has happened till after the show when the rest of our group told us why they didn't join us towards the end of the row. They pointed out the guy sitting on a bench. When I turned to look at him, he was looking up at us with a very smug, proud look on his face...obviously happy that he caused us some temporary grief.....for some reason it struck me as hilarious, and I burst out laughing. His look quickly changed from smug, to very annoyed.....I just shrugged my shoulders and we left.
yankspy
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wvdisneyfamily
Well-Known Member
On Thunder Mountain last year, these unsupervised teens kept leaning forward and screaming in my ears. My husband got really mad and yelled for them to quit. However, they just got worse. I don't know what the point in their actions was. I was so upset I couldn't really think of a good way to handle it. We wrote a letter to guest relations when we got home and told them about that. All they said was "it's a roller coaster and people scream". That really made me mad. We weren't complaining about screaming; we were complaining about them leaning up and doing it in our ears.
camithepirate
New Member
speaking as a respectful 17 year old, I think its kinda unfair when Adults get grumpy over this sort of thing. Most of us dont do it to ________ you off, were just having fun, the best way we know how. Its really not worth complaning about, because it really isnt going to change anything. You were a kid once too.:shrug:
sandicinderelli
New Member
Bravo, bravo! I think I'll take you up on your suggestion. Laughter is good medicine!
s8film40
Well-Known Member
Judging from your post I don't think you can consider yourself a "respectful" 17 year old. The people described in this post are not doing this as part of enjoying the ride it is purly to antagonize the guests in front of them, a respectful person at any age does not have to compromise someone elses enjoyment for their own. If this is "the best way" you know how to have fun you really are missing a lot. I was a kid once and I seem to remember enjoying the ride without the need to antagonize others. On a side not you illustrated the point I made in my previous post very well, as a 17 year old growing up around increasingly worsening behaviour you consider this to be acceptable. People doing this sort of thing should be romoved from the park.
camithepirate
New Member
Whoa now. My opnion. theres no need for slamming me for it, or all teenagers for that matter. Its not pruley to angatonize someone, I think you missed my point. No body sits there and says "hey, im bored so i think ill bug the heck out of the people in from me." We are having fun. If you happen to be annoyed by it, then thats your problem, not ours. It only makes it more fun when you try to yell at us, it makes us think that you dont want us to have fun, which is rediculious. I never said we do it to purposly make someone mad.
And personally to you, you have to give repect to get it. You have no right to say that I am not respectfull, you do not personally know me. If I saw a kid doing this, I would laugh, becuase i know they mean no harm by it. But if it was getting to the point that someone was getting hurt, or bullied, I would step in. Its grumpy people like you, who need to learn that kids are not going to repect you, if you dont repect them.
I have left this site once becuase of people being mean or disrespectfull towards others for thier views, looks like its happening again. But, thats my opnion.
daliseurat
Member
I remember being 17. And yeah, a lot of what I thought was FUN was not appreciated by adults around me. However, doing something specifically AT them was off limits. Scream all you want on a roller coaster, I do. But if you think screaming directly into someone's ear is okay then you are sadly mistaken. Anyone who screams in my ear like that might wind up with my elbow in their mouth. There's a big difference between kids being kids and directly antagonizing someone else.
And I've seen teenagers knocking stuff out of little kids hands, cutting in front on them, spitting on them. You wonder why adults get grumpy? Because we see too much of this inconsiderate behavior, and then have to listen to so-called RESPECTFUL teens whine that we're just over-reacting.
Behave like idiots amongst yourselves. It'll annoy us, but at least you aren't doing it TO us. And those who behave poorly make all the good teens look bad. And most of the teens I see are behaving themselves.
daliseurat
Member
I generally go about my day expecting lousy behavior. It does help me keep my cool. And I'm rarely disappointed. I can't leave my house without spotting somebody doing something lousy. But when I'm at Disney, I try to keep a more positive attitude. It's one of my favorite things about Disney. I am more polite, myself. Most folks are as well. But that unfortunately means the bad ones stick out.
I can't blow off anyone ruining someone elses good time. I just can't.
I love that you are able to find the humor and focus on your fun. I love that you could keep your cool and just laugh at the arrogant jerk. I love that that bugged him even more.
I would have gone past him like you. But if he stuck his arm out to block ME...
Let's just say I WISH I'd have your sense of cool!
s8film40
Well-Known Member
I never said you were not respectful I simply said based on that one response I would not consider that to be a remark that someone who would be considered respectful would make. Maybe you didn't completely understand the original situation, these people were doing this purly to antagonize the guests in front of them and when approached about the situation (made aware they were antagonizing the guests in front of them) they knowingly antagonized these people for their own enjoyment. While hopefully you don't fall into this category there are indeed people who come to the park with this line of thinking "Hey, im bored so i think I'll bug the heck out of the people in front of me.", I know because unfortunately I know some people like this young and old. This really is the core of the problem you don't seem to think that this is wrong probably because some many people act this way it is considered to be normal, being respectful means you take others into consideration when making decisions.
I in no way mean this to be a slam against you or your character, and hopefully you are as you say a "respectful 17 year old" your opinions will speak for themeselves and everyone should judge you based on that alone.