Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

tirian

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I blame the wide open spaces for that.. which always makes it seem like you are just heading to the next destination, rather than being somewhere already. At ground level plenty of areas don't they left the hall door open to the next (probably the airfield is the worst for this).

Most of it just feels like big highway.. that's my critique.
The lake/lagoon layout works if the lands are built as intricate, deep environments that require guests to leave the main path to explore. Epcot, TDS, and parts of IOA work this way. But if a guest can wander alongside the lagoon and see everything in one area while walking to the next land, the pathway becomes a highway and loses all immersion. Most of DCA and parts of IOA (Toon Lagoon, Marvel) suffer from this issue.
 

matt9112

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Guardians fits the theme better than the current Speedway. Nothing says "science fiction vision of what may be or could be" like gas guzzling race cars with faded paint that move 5mph.


if i ever win the lottery im going to build a coal fired incenerator with no purpose except to pollute just so you can get upset ;)

the speed way needs to go but not because they use gas or because they go 5mph more so the horrible capacity and real estate use.
 

FigmentJedi

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Not so! Parallel dimensions and gates used to cross between them have long been a staple of science-fiction.
If you really dig into how Pixar developed the setting for Monsters Inc, it's more of a spin on the whole Land of Faerie thing.

Buried in the DVD extras of the original film is a short storyboarded featurette on the prehistory of the Monster World. Prehistoric Man and hairy creatures called "Mons" came into conflict and the Mans drove the Mons out to sea. They eventually came across an enchanted island (your Avalon, Tir na Nog, Neverland, whatever) and after eating the fruits and vegetables that grew there, were transformed into creatures of all shapes and sizes (keeping with the rule that when in a Faerie realm, you never eat their food or else you'll suffer weird consequences). After realizing their frightening appearances they decided to start scaring Man in revenge.

One of those Pixar artbooks featured further details of this monster history and explained that monsters had been terrorizing humans for centuries and picked up on human commerce and invented the magic door systems sometime in the Middle Ages, making getting around the world easier.

So basically, think of Monstropolis and the Monster World as some Enchanted Kingdom that got away from that hippie elf "one with nature" stuff and industrialized like less-malicious orcs.
 

Matt_Black

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if i ever win the lottery im going to build a coal fired incenerator with no purpose except to pollute just so you can get upset ;)

the speed way needs to go but not because they use gas or because they go 5mph more so the horrible capacity and real estate use.

That too, but again, walking into a huge cloud of exhaust fumes ain't exactly futuristic. Heck, I can go a couple of blocks from my house and get that!
 

Matt_Black

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So basically, think of Monstropolis and the Monster World as some Enchanted Kingdom that got away from that hippie elf "one with nature" stuff and industrialized like less-malicious orcs.

Yeah, it's an Enchanted Kingdom with cars and automation.
 

Lee

Adventurer
Okay, since this comes up ALL the time, where would YOU have put Frozen? Fantasyland is out, because there was little good room left after the expansion, unless something else got removed. And nothing on the NFL side was going to be touched so soon.
If it if it absolutely HAD to go into WDW at all (which I don't think it did), the Studios makes fine sense.
As does the expansion pads at MK.
Epcot...no.
 

Disone

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We are really worried about a trolley that passes for a few minutes in front of a building and say it's out of theme but we have no problem with a monorail passing around a Swiss mountain, a medieval castle and building full of dolls.
And let's not forget about a steam train in tomorrowland or going thru dinosaurs.

You know what, this post punched me in the gut. It's spot-on. On an earlier post I describe my concerns about the trolley pass in front of a Sci-Fi thingy. But I did at least concede in that post that it isn't unlike a horse-drawn trolley passing in front of a medieval castle. However you provided many other excellent examples about of the elements within a Disney theme park that we, all for the most part, embrace. I'm not ready to embrace this yet, but I understand your point completely and it does give me a little bit more comfort with the whole concept.
 

FigmentJedi

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FWIW, the Monster's Inc ride at Tokyo Disneyland is also in the Tomorrowland area
There at least it's isolated in its own little corner from the rest of Tomorrowland. Really it shares a similar issue with a lot of other Pixar movies in that it doesn't truly belong in any of the "cardinal realm"-lands. It's too contemporarily urban for Fantasyland but too much of a fantasy film to truly belong in Tomorrowland.
 

Disone

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Skip to 6:00.

At no point in time did the Monorail make a complete trip around Matterhorn. It passed it, sure, but it did not circle around it.

A few seconds later, you can see the Monorail does not really touch small world's mall. The old motorboat cruise, maybe. The cars driving down Harbor are closer to the Monorail.

The argument was never that the monorail helixed around the base.... The Matterhorn is inside of the loop of the monorail there is no getting around that. See what I did there :) it doesn't go around it in the same sense that a model train goes around the base of the family christmas tree. But the Matterhorn is definitely surrounded by the monorail, and for one half of the Matterhorn it is exactly like the model train going around the base of the Christmas tree. The monorail comes much closer to the Matterhorn then it does the cars of Harbor Boulevard.

In my opinion it is far more accurate to say the monorail goes around the Matterhorn then it is to say that passes merely in front of it. It passes in front of it and passes behind it it passes to its left and it passes to the right, because the Matterhorn is in the middle of the monorail system. And since we're arguing schematics here I will specify that it is in the middle of the monorail system in Tomorrowland but that's not the same as being the center of the system.

The DCA trolley passes in front of the Guardians of the Galaxy Mission break out. The point was that this theme clash is not as great as some of the long existing theme clashes Disney has. The difference is those were done by Walt or have been around for so long that we just accept them as brilliant. A new one comes along and it's going to take some time for us to get used to it.... if we ever will and all who knows.
 
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Californian Elitist

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I'm sorry but your argument is schematic at best. The Matterhorn is inside of the loop of the monorail there is no getting around that. See what I did there :) it doesn't go around it in the same sense that a model train goes around the base of the family christmas tree. But the Matterhorn is definitely surrounded by the monorail, and for one half of the Matterhorn it is exactly like the model train going around the base of the Christmas tree. The monorail comes much closer to the Matterhorn then it does the cars of Harbor Boulevard.

In my opinion it is far more accurate to say the monorail goes around the Matterhorn then it is to say that passes merely in front of it. It passes in front of it and passes behind it it passes to its left and it passes to the right, because the Matterhorn is in the middle of the monorail system. And since we're arguing schematics here I will specify that it is in the middle of the monorail system in Tomorrowland but that's not the same as being the center of the system.

The DCA trolley passes in front of the Guardians of the Galaxy Mission break out. The point was that this theme clash is not as great as some of the long existing theme clashes Disney has. The difference is those were done by Walt or have been around for so long that we just accept them as brilliant. A new one comes along and it's going to take some time for us to get used to it.... if we ever will and all who knows.

I'm assuming you haven't seen my later posts, the going back and forth regarding the path of the Monorail is moot, so I'm not going to delve into that again. But I will say that I'm pretty certain I said the Monorail comes closer to the cars on Harbor than it does small world, NOT the Monorail.

The theme is clash will be exactly that, a clash when it comes what's going to be the new Tower and the Red Car Trolley.

Kind of tired of repeating myself, so I'll just leave it at that.
 

Variable

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I'm assuming you haven't seen my later posts, the going back and forth regarding the path of the Monorail is moot, so I'm not going to delve into that again. But I will say that I'm pretty certain I said the Monorail comes closer to the cars on Harbor than it does small world, NOT the Monorail.

The theme is clash will be exactly that, a clash when it comes what's going to be the new Tower and the Red Car Trolley.

Kind of tired of repeating myself, so I'll just leave it at that.


This is what she does when she's lost the argument. She doesn't admit any error, just says it doesn't matter - now - and tries to make the rest of us look silly for being right.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
The original ride system would have allowed for a single free-fall drop with the elevator moving out of the open doors at the top and down through a hidden run-out track, as if it had vanished after exiting the building. The track was the same as Cedar Point's Demon Drop, with guests lying flat on their backs as the car decelerates. The elevator would then right itself and drop again to an unload track. Guests would see an AA Rod Serling at the end as he delivered his spiel. The script, dated 1991, hits the same beats as the current attraction. There are interesting show scene differences. After we see the ghostly hotel guests in the hallway, the elevator doors close and the car travels up a floor, opening to a hallway identical to the last. The walls of the hotel distort and become transparent, revealing the Twilight Zone starfield. The elevator begins moving through the starfield, toward a materializing door of light. The door opens to an image of our elevator car. The image stretches, distorts, and drops out of sight. Our car drops. Out of a starfield we see another door of light; it opens and the familiar Twilight Zone icons (manikin, math formula, window) float out and pass through our elevator door frame. The last icon is an eye. As the eye moves closer toward us, we see in its pupil our elevator car. Our image distorts; the eye closes and floats away. The doors of light close. We see our elevator car. The image flips around, shatters, and the shards are sucked into "a swirling cloud of light and shadow." The Twilight Zone icons are thrown from this vortex, stretching and distorting along the way. Our car image flies out of the vortex; it stretches and zooms upward. Our car ascends the shaft, reaches the top, exits the shaft, drops.

Even with a script and storyboard arrangement, this sequence of events is pretty confusing, which I guess is the point.

I think you'll find that was a blue sky show description, one of many, used to explain and pitch several ideas when "selling" the project. Once the final version was chosen development went forward from there.

Around the same time a similar ride system was being considered for EuroDisneys Discovery Mountain.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Okay, since this comes up ALL the time, where would YOU have put Frozen? Fantasyland is out, because there was little good room left after the expansion, unless something else got removed. And nothing on the NFL side was going to be touched so soon.
Pretty much the same places that have been mentioned dozens of times in the relevant threads.
 

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