mergatroid
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I like this guy, what he says makes sense and covers many of the things people argue about on here
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Horizons1
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Yes.
The Empress Lilly
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You've said the same but articulated better? =D
The Empress Lilly
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Up Iger's rea.....
...uhm....I mean, Dumboland feels redundant. A great space for NNFL: Mission Frozen.
Or even nowhere. The objective is not to shove in IPs. The idea is to build great theme parks. If there is no space for Frozen, or if it doesn't add to the parks, then it should remain unbuild.
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lazyboy97o
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So?
montyz81
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I wish he would comment on the plans for Epcot. I'd be happier if they replaced TOT in HS rather then force fit it in Epcot
I think thats exactly where a disconnect happens. Certain fans and excutives as well dont view the parks in a larger perspective that inlcudes balance and harmony. A painting if you will. I love landsape paintings , but slapping a lighthouse at sunset into the Mona Lisa doesnt make it better. Or airbrushing Star Lord into an H.R. Giger...
JohnD
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The argument was never that the monorail helixed around the base.... The Matterhorn is inside of the loop of the monorail there is no getting around that. See what I did thereit doesn't go around it in the same sense that a model train goes around the base of the family christmas tree. But the Matterhorn is definitely surrounded by the monorail, and for one half of the Matterhorn it is exactly like the model train going around the base of the Christmas tree. The monorail comes much closer to the Matterhorn then it does the cars of Harbor Boulevard.
In my opinion it is far more accurate to say the monorail goes around the Matterhorn then it is to say that passes merely in front of it. It passes in front of it and passes behind it it passes to its left and it passes to the right, because the Matterhorn is in the middle of the monorail system. And since we're arguing schematics here I will specify that it is in the middle of the monorail system in Tomorrowland but that's not the same as being the center of the system.
The DCA trolley passes in front of the Guardians of the Galaxy Mission break out. The point was that this theme clash is not as great as some of the long existing theme clashes Disney has. The difference is those were done by Walt or have been around for so long that we just accept them as brilliant. A new one comes along and it's going to take some time for us to get used to it.... if we ever will and all who knows.
Agree. This entire argument is specious. Enough with the argument of whether the monorail goes around Matterhorn and the semantics thereof. Who cares? I can see Space Mountain from Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse or Cinderella's Castle from Splash Mountain. The main argument for discussion here is the shoehorning of an IP into an existing attraction instead of coming up with an original atttraction.
SorcererMC
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This is a good analogy. The best theme park design combines those elements of art and architecture without anything amiss. Trying to make the latest IP fit into some vague construct just does not work, and would be obvious/glaring to most people.
lazyboy97o
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But it also shows the lower view of themed entertainment. These same people get excited for the next Disney owned film but only want the theme parks to replay what they already know and can access any time.
216bruce
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Personally, as long as the one in Fla is left as is, I'm fine with this. Same ride experience with a different theme. I love TZ, by the way. It's my favorite TV show of all time.
But, the DHS version is the most immersive, detailed and perfect thing ever created in a theme park. Please leave it alone and please put a Howard the Duck AA in the DCA version, have him talk, be integral to the queue experience or something. I love me some vintage Steve Gerber era Howard.
But, the DHS version is the most immersive, detailed and perfect thing ever created in a theme park. Please leave it alone and please put a Howard the Duck AA in the DCA version, have him talk, be integral to the queue experience or something. I love me some vintage Steve Gerber era Howard.
yeti
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He doesn't make sense, and unfortunately he's not as contrarian as he thinks. The "it's not your park" line is as tired as "Disney is a business". Just because "Disney is a business" doesn't mean they should tear up the book they wrote. Just because "things have to change" doesn't mean they have to change for the worse. And just because "it's not my park", that Disney is a private company, doesn't make them immune from bad decisions detectable by the public. That argument is about as patently stupid as this attraction. My favorite restaurant just replaced the veal cutlets with chicken fingers. But I won't complain about it...it's not my restaurant.
If you can't see it you can't see it, but Disney's theme parks are not supposed to be interactive billboards.
montyz81
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I kinda see what he is saying. I interpret it as; if you don't like it, voice your opinion with your dollars.
yeti
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I've seen a lot of people considering this the point where Disney becomes Universal. It's actually worse than that. Universal has a habit of prioritizing individual attractions before fitting them into themed areas, often with ugly results. But with the exception of Jurassic Park, Despicable Me, and King Kong, these attractions are mostly external properties (Harry Potter, Transformers, Nintendo, The Simpsons, MARVEL!) trying to grow Universal's theme park business, and are not in service of self-promotion.
MARVEL Breakout, like FrozenStrom, or even Stitch's Great Escape way back when, is just that--theme parks being treated as secondary to whatever brands the company is pushing. I'm of two minds about this: you can get a lot of quality and devotion to budget from this approach, like Cars, Star Wars, and now Frozen Lands. But it also closes the door to taking themed entertainment as seriously as the old school Imagineers did.
But I have no hesitation about this: in the above examples, renovating a classic attraction for the sake of a hamhanded fit-in is reprehensible. You know it's bad when the concept art looks like an Al Lutz April Fools article. It's Disney blatantly not taking their product seriously. Regardless of whether or not they pursue self-promotion in the parks, my only hope is that the twin Bobs are replaced by people with a little more vision and respect for Disney's theme parks.
MARVEL Breakout, like FrozenStrom, or even Stitch's Great Escape way back when, is just that--theme parks being treated as secondary to whatever brands the company is pushing. I'm of two minds about this: you can get a lot of quality and devotion to budget from this approach, like Cars, Star Wars, and now Frozen Lands. But it also closes the door to taking themed entertainment as seriously as the old school Imagineers did.
But I have no hesitation about this: in the above examples, renovating a classic attraction for the sake of a hamhanded fit-in is reprehensible. You know it's bad when the concept art looks like an Al Lutz April Fools article. It's Disney blatantly not taking their product seriously. Regardless of whether or not they pursue self-promotion in the parks, my only hope is that the twin Bobs are replaced by people with a little more vision and respect for Disney's theme parks.
Mike S
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You're talking about Production Central here right? I agree. Something needs to be done with that section to finally fully move away from the working studio idea. Their next two rides are self promotion though with Jimmy Fallon and Fast & Furious and then of course there's the rumored Pets ride.
erasure fan1
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I completely agree. I am as nostalgic as they come but it's not change that bothers me. It's shoehorning things into places they don't belong that really irks me.
Matt_Black
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EXCEPT that when Frozen was killing it in early 2014, MANY here were complaining that there wasn't ENOUGH Frozen in the parks, and that Disney should have been building a ride before the movie even came out.
But it was fun sounding blue sky!